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Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too
Townhall.com ^ | March 12, 2018 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 03/11/2018 9:08:18 PM PDT by Kaslin

It’s obvious that the central tenet of the Democrat Party platform is now hatred and contempt for Normal Americans. Taking their cue from the elites in Europe and Canada who are stripping dissenters of their free speech rights and religious freedoms, the leftist elite is moving to solidify its hold on power here with the eager assistance of tech companies and the moral support of the Fredocons who yearn to return to pseudo-relevance as the ruling class’s slobberingly loyal opposition. In California, the leftist government is practically firing on Fort Sumter. And nationally, these aspiring fascists are especially eager to disarm Normal Americans – doing so would be an object lesson in who’s the boss, as well as solving that frustrating problem of the Normals having the ability to resist.

Probably because I’ve spent time where they actually had a civil war, many people ask me – people whose names you know – whether I think this turmoil will all end in a Second Civil War. They are seriously concerned, and not without cause – the left’s hatred for Normal Americans and its dedication to totally stripping the people who are the backbone of this country of their ability to participate in their own governance is threatening to rip the country apart.

Do I think there will be a civil war? No, but there could be. This is the Age of Black Swans, and anything is possible – we could easily see the country split into red and blue. Civil war is unlikely, but never underestimate Democrat stupidity and hatred. The Schlichter family learned that lesson a century and half ago, the last time the Democrats decided to try to impose their hatred of basic human rights on the rest of the country, when an army of Democrats burned our family hometown

Oh, they paid for it. And they would pay again. Democrats are 0-1 in insurrections, and if they went for another round, they would be 0-2. It’s a matter of terrain, numbers, and morale.

Democrats, who think history began when Obama was elected, don’t understand the dangerous game they are playing when they talk about how they want to impose their brown shirt vision upon red America. The keyboard commandos of the left seek to hand wave away the massive strategic challenge of imposing control by force upon a well-armed, decentralized citizenry occupying the vast majority of the territory, so they babble about drones and tanks as counterinsurgency trump cards. But there are no trump cards in war. There are men, with rifles, standing on patches of dirt, killing the people trying to push them off. That’s the ugly reality of war. And multiply the usual brutality of war by ten when it’s a civil war.

There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California’s campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

Let’s talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.

Let’s look at the counter-insurgent forces in the Democrat oppression scenario should they attempt to misuse our law enforcement and military in an unconstitutional manner to take the rights of American citizens. There are a lot of civilian law enforcement officers, but the vast majority of the agencies are local – sheriffs, small town police departments. They will not be reliable allies in supporting unlawful oppression of their friends and neighbors. The major cities’ police departments are run by Democrat appointees, so the commands would be loyal. But the rank-and-file? A small percentage would be ideologically loyal. More would be loyal because that’s their paycheck – they could be swayed or intimidated to support the rebels. Others would be actively sympathetic to the insurgents. This is true of federal law enforcement agencies as well.

And the military? Well, wouldn’t the military just crush any resistance? Not so fast. The military would have the combat power to win any major engagement, but insurgents don’t get into major engagements with forces that have more combat power. They instead leverage their decentralized ability to strike at the counter-insurgents’ weak points to eliminate the government’s firepower advantage. In other words, hit and run, and no stand-up fights.

For example, how do a bunch of hunters in Wisconsin defeat a company of M1A2 Abrams tanks? They ambush the fuel and ammo trucks. Oh, and they wait until the gunner pops the hatch to take a leak and put a .30-06 round in his back from 300 meters. Then they disappear. What do the tanks do then? Go level the nearest town? Great. Now they just moved the needle in favor of the insurgents among the population. Pretty soon, they can’t be outside of their armored vehicles in public. Their forces are spending 90% of their efforts not on actual counter-insurgency operations but on force protection. Sure, they own their forward operating bases, and they own a few hundred meters around them wherever they happen to be standing at the moment, but the rest of the territory is bright red. As my recent novel illustrates, American guerillas with small arms are a deadly threat to the forces of a dictatorship.

But the military is so big it would overwhelm any rebels, right? Well, how big do you think the military is? And, more importantly, how many actual boots on the ground can it deploy? Let’s put it in terms of brigade combat teams, which total about 4,500 troops each. There are about 60 brigades in the Army, active and reserve, here and abroad, and let’s give the Marines another 10 brigades, for about 70 brigades. Sounds impressive. But that’s deceptive.

Let’s put aside a big consideration – the existence of red states that would provide for an insurgent government structure and possibly attract the loyalty of some National Guard and even federal brigades. For example, if President Hillary Clinton put down her chardonnay long enough to sign a ban on privately owned guns, it’s not unreasonable to expect the governor of Texas to reject federal authority – after all, California just taught us that this is totally cool. But in this case, look for several brigades located there to hoist the Lone Star flag.

So, now the blue states are facing unconventional and conventional forces.

Let’s ignore that problem and focus on a different challenge. Even a normal unit has about 10% non-deployable members. Now, if these troops were assigned to combat operations against other Americans, you would have significant additional losses through desertion. Many of the senior leaders would participate – the Obama generation – and there is a certain type of junior officer only too happy to curry favor by sucking up in defiance of their oath (which is to the Constitution, not to some leftist president). You can identify them because they usually have “strategist” in their Twitter bios. But a lot of key, capable officer and NCO leaders, and enlisted troops, would vanish. That is proper. It is a violation of their oath to unconstitutionally oppress fellow Americans; their duty would be to refuse such unlawful orders.

So, you have significantly understrength units going in. Now, how many of the troops in a brigade are actually even front line combat troops? About a third – the rest are support. So a brigade is really about 1500 riflemen tops before you count losses. Cut those in half for sleep, training, and refitting at any one time (which is very generous) and your brigade is really 750 troops on your best day with everyone showing up. Realistically, it’s 300.

That holds one mid-sized town. And there are hundreds of mid-sized towns. Plus there are millions of Normal Americans who would fight back. Nothing would move without their permission – a few guys shooting up big rigs along the interstate would shut down the entire trucking industry. Bottom line: there simply are not enough military forces to clear and hold red America.

What about drones and bombers? Both are useful. But the minute a bombing strike kills some red civilians the families of counter-insurgent drone operators and pilots will be knocking at the base gates to be let inside. Now you’ll need many of those brigades to protect the civilians you now need to protect from retribution.

Civil wars are harsh. That’s why you avoid them.

How about the blue insurgency scenario? That goes even worse for the Democrats. You have the federal government apparatus in the hands of red America, and the insurgents are the opposite of decentralized and armed. They are conveniently centered in gun-unfriendly blue cities. In other words, the blue civilian population is much less of a threat.

A red counter-insurgency avoids the problem of a decentralized insurgency and insecure logistical lines. In the case of California, whose secessionist antics are approaching the point where President Trump could legitimately employ his power to crush insurrections, the tactical problem is relatively simple. For example, San Francisco is a hotbed of treason, but the populace is largely unarmed and is trapped in a confined area. You put a brigade on securing the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges, then put a brigade on the San Francisco Peninsula to cut off the I-280 and US-101 corridors. Next you go to the Crystal Springs Dam and cut off the water. Then you watch and wait as the tech hipsters run out of artisanal sushi rice and kombucha.

After about a week, they surrender. After all, you can’t eat and drink smugness. LA is just bigger in scope – more corridors to cut off, but in the end the population concentrations in large liberal urban areas that are their strength also make them extremely vulnerable to logistical pressure.

Then there’s another factor, an intangible but a crucial one. It’s commitment. The Democrat threat to peace is based on its policies designed to deprive Normal Americans of their right to speak freely, to worship freely, and to defend themselves and their rights with firearms. Make no mistake – millions of Normal Americans are willing to risk death to defend those rights. In fact, many swore to do so when they entered our military and law enforcement. But who is the leftist big talker willing to die to impose the fascist dream of censorship, religious oppression, and disarmament on Normal American citizens? Is the screeching SJW at Yale going to suit up in Kevlar? Is the Vox columnist going to grab a M4? Is the Hollywood poser going to switch her gyno-beanie for a helmet?

No. Hell, we just heard our liberal opponents explaining why a cop shouldn’t be expected to go fight a scumbag murdering kids because it’s scary. America might split apart, but it’s highly unlikely Team Kale n’ Vinyl would fight should their big talk finally push Normal America too far.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: calltgeavengers; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

If you read my post, you would see I said these mobs would be a factor and this is so. To control them, shoot them, conscript them, whatever, would take valuable soldiering off the front lines where it would be needed to fight the civil war.
And if you think these welfare folk can be conscripted, you are fooling yourself. These people are useless. It is much easier to see them forcing the educated snowflakes out of their snuglies and handing them shovels. Again, this would take huge amounts of precious soldiers that can’t be spared.


21 posted on 03/11/2018 10:01:04 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Mogger
No need to bother shooting them when you can starve and freeze them out.

But shooting them would be so much more satisfying. :-)

22 posted on 03/11/2018 10:02:28 PM PDT by KevinB (I do not care for this Obama fellow.)
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To: Mogger

I will be pragmatic and say at least the South could be self sufficient and could fight valiantly for a while until embargos, blockades and the Union prevailed. The left has NOTHING to go to war with. I know 1000 ways in which we will pulverize them. I will suggest they look at a few videos of Iraq and Syria and rethink Civil War.


23 posted on 03/11/2018 10:04:46 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: sparklite2

Yes, in Lucifer as the Light of Truth not God

And the Governments and leaders as his instruments to lead us forward


24 posted on 03/11/2018 10:07:14 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: 100American

From 1872? Wow


25 posted on 03/11/2018 10:14:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Kaslin; bitt; ransomnote

thanks for posting, Kaslin !

Ping to CW II article in Townhall.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3639015/posts?page=1#1


26 posted on 03/11/2018 10:19:21 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: 100American

Atheists don’t believe in Lucifer, either. Face it, atheism cannot be destroyed because there will always be doubters and skeptics.


27 posted on 03/11/2018 10:23:07 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Mogger

Entire ports could be shut down with nothing more than a phone call.


28 posted on 03/11/2018 10:40:09 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: marktwain
The North used a lot of immigrant soldiers to take down the South, and the Northern elite arranged things so they suffered relatively little.

I like Kurt, but he ignores the potential for outside militaries to intervene.

Do you think Obama or successors would have any compunction on calling for NATO or Chinese “peacekeepers” to pacify U.S. rural areas?

There would be lots of Mexicans willing to fill ranks in the U.S. Army and Marines, if it came to that, for generous benefits and a promise of a piece of rural America confiscated from conservative “rebels”.


You beat me to it. Schlicter ignores the effects of a probable outside intervention. The U.N. from the east, Chinese from the west, Russians from the north and Mexican narco-terrorist gangs from the south will pose an invasive force that may overwhelm the red-state advantage.

I would be especially wary of the Chinese. They could put millions of men on three fronts (Canada, California and Mexico) in short order. Baring the use of tactical nuclear weapons (which isn't going to happen) the communists could own the western half of the United States very quickly.
29 posted on 03/11/2018 10:42:20 PM PDT by farming pharmer
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To: Impala64ssa

Most city folk always confuse a 4 wheel drive vehicle with a tank, hell they don’t even know how to drive a tracked vehicle.


30 posted on 03/11/2018 10:50:06 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: sparklite2

It takes belief to be an atheist - one has to believe that there is no God, gods, or higher being/entity). Belief, as with faith, is a fundamental tenant of a ‘religion’.


31 posted on 03/11/2018 11:03:01 PM PDT by cranked
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To: rightwingcrazy
The Left has been successful slow-boiling the frog for many decades, but lately they’ve gotten cocky and impatient, and the frog is onto them. Quick, get the lid!

LOL! Great post.

32 posted on 03/11/2018 11:07:13 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: akalinin

They could field at best maybe 5 million with outside forces. Maybe a few more million Chinese. We have about 80 million militia ready to go. Attrition for them would be a bitch. Most likely though: the war would be over very quickly with a siege on the cities. Focused attacks on the liberal elite. They couldn’t surrender fast enough.


33 posted on 03/11/2018 11:09:05 PM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: cranked

Do you believe in unicorns? No? Then you believe there are no unicorns. So that’s a belief. Hmmm. Sorry, in my world, absence of belief in unicorns does not create a belief.
That’s like saying not playing football is a sport.


34 posted on 03/11/2018 11:10:20 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Your wrong; your scenario would only play out in the major population centers, and they wouldn’t last long.
Conservatives in California are outnumbered by the Progs in the major metropolitan areas.
BUT WE CONTROL ALL THE FOOD PRODUCTION , WATER, AND POWER PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION.
We control all the MAJOR DISTRIBUTION ROUTES.
All of these things start and are basically controlled from very conservative areas of California.
The choke points are at I-5 in southern Tehama County, the I-5 at Gorman, the I-10 at White Water, the I-15 at Barstow, the I-80 at Truckee.
There are a few more minor routes in the central valley and southern California that would be easy to cut off in strategic locations, but you cut off those major routes and most of California starves, dies of thirst (cut off the power and you stop the pumps) and has no electrical power.


35 posted on 03/11/2018 11:13:46 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: sparklite2

True, they will believe in Government which is driven bu Lucifer so long way around the barn they still accept his system and beliefs which are modeled via the appointed leaders, that is what HRC and her co-conspirators were shooting for.

Also look up a video on YT that is an interview with BHO’s brother, he says that Obozo is not a Muslim but a Luciferian and not born in Kenya either.


36 posted on 03/11/2018 11:15:24 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: sparklite2

Despite your contention, atheism is a belief system.....


37 posted on 03/11/2018 11:16:02 PM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked

No, it isn’t. There is no such thing as a system of disbelief.


38 posted on 03/11/2018 11:19:47 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Red Americans are Communist-Fascists. I’m a Conservative Blue, not a Commie Red. I cringe when I see intelligent people using the Orwellian media newspeak relabeling. It distracts badly in such an article. Down with the real REDS !

Amen to that!

39 posted on 03/11/2018 11:21:52 PM PDT by eldoradude (Keep calm...we'll get to the carrion part later.)
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To: sparklite2

Atheism IS a belief system, period.


40 posted on 03/11/2018 11:21:59 PM PDT by cranked
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