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Do any of you believe that due process isn't needed? If you don't, you've got another thing comin'.

You know what this is. You know what to do. And as always, be civil.

Second Amendment Foundation
https://www.saf.org/

Judicial people already have remedies for disarming people who are a danger to themselves or others. The red flag laws most likely involve a kind of court order that is similar to a domestic restraining order. I've known several professionals (two of them doctors: MDs) with perfect histories and reputations, who spent all that they had in typically futile fights against such orders for the purpose of spending time with their own children. As soon as they were old enough to decide, years later as teens, their children ran to them and stayed with them from then on to escape abuse from their other parents.

1 posted on 04/02/2018 7:40:13 PM PDT by familyop
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The anti-Second-Amendment tactic here, by the way, is that of insidiously, incrementally disarming the American population one subgroup at a time--exactly the main tactic that the anti-Second-Amendment activists have recently been discussing with each other.


2 posted on 04/02/2018 7:43:11 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop

One error on my part in the excerpt above. I should *not* have put an ellipsis between “appears to be working” and “We’ve seen” The second sentence immediately follows the first in the article.


3 posted on 04/02/2018 7:45:43 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop

I should have posted that part of the excerpt as follows.

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Even gun rights advocates, who are afraid of government abuse, say it appears to be working. “We’ve seen the downside of people who are distraught or crazy taking out their problems on the general public,” said Dave Workman of the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation. “We don’t want that to happen here.”

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4 posted on 04/02/2018 7:47:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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After weeks of saying the authorities ignored what a nutjob the Parkland shooter was, what did you expect?


5 posted on 04/02/2018 7:50:52 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: familyop

This “red flag” nonsense is going to backfire on the politicians big time. They better be prepared to have their asses sued. Relatives and neighbors love to turn people in for BS when there is a family feud or neighborhood spat. When they are challenged about their allegations, they change their minds about what they said. Believe me. I dealt with this kind of BS hundreds of times on my last job before retiring.


6 posted on 04/02/2018 7:55:03 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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If an individual is too dangerous to possess a fire arm, they are too dangerous to be at large, and must therefore be committed...


9 posted on 04/02/2018 8:03:47 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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They are working? Illegal means are working? Wow. Taking guns like this without compensation and the cops keeping them instead of heirs is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. These guns belong to the militia, not the public at large.

Another socialism box checked and sheeps find it cool


10 posted on 04/02/2018 8:08:42 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifiedc)
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To: familyop

So if they are nuts enough to be a danger to themselves or others seizing an object not the person solves the problem?

Our education system is the problem. We are paying for our own demise with Public Education.


13 posted on 04/02/2018 8:28:06 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects; starve the bastards)
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I have little faith in fake news. Workman is likely quoted out of context.


15 posted on 04/02/2018 8:56:35 PM PDT by M1911A1 (MAGA must include jail for the Swamp's leading lawbreakers)
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To: familyop

One problem with these kinds of laws is that they can and will be used and abused by liberals as a way to attack and destroy their opposition.

On the surface the purpose of these laws is supposedly to provide a way to disarm people who are a danger to themselves or others.

But who defines what constitutes a danger to oneself or others?

You know darn well these laws will be abused to silence opposition to, and criticism of, the liberal agenda.

People like anti-abortionists, climate deniers and constitutionalists will be targets and fair game for the liberals.

As will owners of too many guns, scary looking guns, stockpiles of ammo, etc.


17 posted on 04/02/2018 10:30:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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So disarm everybody, rational people will not seek arms, irrational people will.

Do they not see the YUGE problem? This leaves law abiding rational people DEFENSELESS against irrational law breakers!

19 posted on 04/03/2018 1:50:06 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing")
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didn’t some very influential American executive office holder recently dismiss due process.
Isn’t that just what a NY liberal does? Give more power to the government and to criminals.
More infringements.. now that’s winning right there.


20 posted on 04/03/2018 1:54:53 AM PDT by momincombatboots (No Wall, No Way 2018.)
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To: familyop
Guns are removed for one year, but there is due process. Only family, roommates and police can petition the court for the civil order. The burden of proof is on the petitioner. A judge determines if the person is a danger to himself or others.

If anyone ever made such a report about me and I disagreed, it would permanently end our relationship. Marriage? Divorce, with no discussion of reconciliation (and I'm happily married). Children? Disowned. Unless in retrospect I believed they had been right, even their claimed perspective that they were doing the right thing would not matter.

Also, I assume the criteria for disarming Americans will expand over time, as will the duration of the disarmament. This will, like all other schemes to disarm the people, turn out to be a harmful idea.

21 posted on 04/03/2018 3:32:48 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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28 posted on 04/03/2018 7:38:23 AM PDT by PROCON (Repeal the Gun-Free School Zone Act, Protect Our Children!)
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