Posted on 06/08/2018 6:09:42 PM PDT by huckfillary
I went to a funeral for a 28 year old man who killed himself just before his first wedding anniversary. He was eulogized as the most caring, and selfless person you could know. The minister told us not to refer to him in the past tense. I felt incredible sympathy for his family, but really felt like I was in bizzaro world.
‘There are still many people who can feel compassion for someone who is so lost that they will kill themselves.’
Agree. But Nihilism, post modernism and modern Leftism have combined to produce a bumper crop of sociopaths.
There is no smugness about stating a fact, a reality.
The best definition I recall of suicide is: "the sincerest form of self criticism."
I have no idea who first stated it.
Psychiatrists have moved on from talk therapy to pill-pushing. Because a lot of mental illness - specifically depression - has to do with chemical imbalances. The problem is that the drugs we have today to fix the chemical imbalances are not fully effective and have serious side effects. Patients complain about an inability to feel anything, as well as weight gain. We can only hope that the pharma industry somehow comes up with further improvements to the current state of the art that finally fix the problem once and for all.
Mental illness, like PTSD, is a physiological problem, not a psychological one. The doctors who came up with the lobotomy had the right idea, i.e. the problem was physiological, even though the solution they came up with failed to make its patients normal. Unfortunately, the drugs we have today achieve, in essence, a lobotomy-like state rather than normalcy.
Not every case of depression requires drugs at all, and the over-prescription of them is causing a lot of trouble. NEW drugs aren’t going to solve that - there is never going to be a pharmaceutical solution that ‘solves the problem once and for all’ - at least not one that is healthy.
Sometimes depression just has to do with a huge psychological ‘body blow’ that simply takes some time to naturally get over.
When my father died, I was only 20 years old, and devastated. It took me about nine months to get over it and be interested in LIFE again - but once I was, I engaged life fully, and never stopped.
If I had been given artificial means - drugs - to correct a normal human life-adjustment, God knows what may have happened.
True words
The dark pain of those who commit suicide knows no end. If one has not experienced this there is no way to describe it adequately for another.
It is hard to convince someone so lost that it won’t last forever
And many seem utterly incapable of appreciating someone’s brilliance, without focusing on the fact that they aren’t perfect (even though no human has even been perfect).
That's a cruel and incorrect view of serious mental illness.
Many mental illnesses are very hard to treat successfully, and anyone who has read even a few research papers on the topic should know that. Dr. Hurd's viewpoint is not supported by any existing body of research.
And the idea that someone who is mentally ill is somehow able to think clearly, or rationally, and is therefore totally at fault for not taking the correct actions is a ridiculous viewpoint.
That's like blaming the veteran who lost his legs to a land mine for his fate. After all, he stepped in the wrong place! We don't blame the victims of attacks, accidents, illnesses, or many other causes of death that could have been prevented if the victim had taken a different course of action. So why blame a mentally ill person for one terrible consequence of their illness?
People who commit suicide are almost always victims of a serious mental illness which they have been fighting for a long time.
I pretty much agree with this, if the person is an adult with a child. However, if the person is suffering from serious addiction or depression, and tried to get help, and nothing worked, I feel they are victims. If they are actual victims, they are victims: their family wiped out in a tragedy, huge unimaginable losses of loved ones, abused and tortured and just can’t recover, or terminally ill, then to me they are victims.
My heart breaks for anyone without young children who feels it’s the only way. If they have young children, my heart breaks for the children.
I can appreciate her intellect, while also noticing her estrangement from natural human feeling.
There was something very important missing in Rand’s makeup. A little investigation into her personal life and affairs will reveal an unusual and unwholesome depth of ‘imperfection’.
Altruism and pacifism should be scoffed at.
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I think the recent rash of suicides is related to the abandoning of religion. You might be the paragon of worldly success, but if you are spiritually empty you can lose all hope. Victor Frankel’s book “ Man’s Search for Meaning” discusses this in detail.
Attitudes in some of these posts cause suicides. Biological depression can only be treated biologically. When the victim tries to help themselves through psychotherapy etc and they fail, they then become demoralized and that is when some suicide. As a trivial example, PMS is clearly biological. Does psychotherapy cure it? Can a woman stop herself from having it? Can she control how she behaves? Mostly, not always, and Major Depression is a 1.000 times worse. With severe depression you can’t see past your own nose, you can’t think of alternatives, it can trap you and kill you. Judge not lest you be judged.
You nailed it.. or the guy that described it that way !
LOL!
Women can certainly “control” PMS.
How the heck do you think that we pioneered this enormous country, with none of the modern conveniences that we have today - much less mind-active pharmaceuticals or psychiatrists?
We trundled across this land, menstruating, carrying babies, giving birth, taking care of our kids and men, learning to protect the homestead (gasp! shooting guns!) - and making things beautiful, too, as we went along.
Meh.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I’ve come to the conclusion that suicide is the ultimate expression of narcissism. The self centered person makes it all about them with no thoughts for anyone else.
Agreed.
And a totally unnecessary post. So ridiculous!
Altruism is one of the mysteries of God’s people
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