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More Winning at SCOTUS!
SCOTUS ^ | June 27, 2018 | SCOTUS

Posted on 06/27/2018 7:04:17 AM PDT by luv2ski

JUSTICE ALITO delivered the opinion of the Court. Under Illinois law, public employees are forced to subsi­ dize a union, even if they choose not to join and strongly object to the positions the union takes in collective bar­ gaining and related activities. We conclude that this arrangement violates the free speech rights of nonmem­ bers by compelling them to subsidize private speech on matters of substantial public concern. We upheld a similar law in Abood v. Detroit Bd. of Ed., 431 U. S. 209 (1977), and we recognize the importance of following precedent unless there are strong reasons for not doing so. But there are very strong reasons in this case. Fundamental free speech rights are at stake. Abood was poorly reasoned. It has led to practical problems and abuse. It is inconsistent with other First Amendment cases and has been undermined by more recent decisions. Developments since Abood was handed down have shed new light on the issue of agency fees, and no reliance interests on the part of public-sector unions are sufficient to justify the perpetuation of the free speech violations


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abood; aflcio; afscme; biglabor; firstamendment; freespeech; fundingtheleft; janus; janusvafscme; laborunions; maga; nea; ruling; scotus; teamsters; trumpscotus; uaw; unions; winning
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(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday dealt a blow to organized labor, ruling that non-members cannot be forced in certain states to pay fees to unions representing public employees such as teachers and police, shutting off a key union revenue source.

On a 5-4 vote powered by the court’s conservative majority, the justices overturned a 1977 Supreme Court precedent that had allowed the so-called agency fees that are collected from millions of non-union workers in lieu of union dues to fund non-political activities like collective bargaining.

The ruling means that the estimated 5 million non-union workers who pay these fees will no longer have to do so.

Writing for the court, conservative Justice Samuel Alito said that while the ruling “may cause unions to experience unpleasant transition costs in the short term” that must be weighed against “how many billions of dollars have been taken from nonmembers and transferred to public-sector unions in violation of the First Amendment.”


81 posted on 06/27/2018 7:31:57 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Reno89519

No wonder the left is panicking. Ginsberg is 85, Breyer 79. And it looks like Trump will be in for six more years! They are trying to smear him as much as they can to make sure that doesn’t happen, but with all the winning their heads are exploding.


82 posted on 06/27/2018 7:32:45 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Maybe so, but it sticks a big ole knife right in the Heart of the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association.


83 posted on 06/27/2018 7:33:16 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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To: HamiltonJay

How can they keep fighting when the Supreme Court has ruled? I think it’s a done deal now.


84 posted on 06/27/2018 7:33:57 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: Reno89519

Wait till that gets to the Teachers “union”.


85 posted on 06/27/2018 7:34:13 AM PDT by Mouton (We have met the enemy and it is us if we believe what we hear.)
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To: VRWCarea51

…..but it sticks a big ole knife right in the Heart of the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association.

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That alone is reason to celebrate.


86 posted on 06/27/2018 7:35:14 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Reno89519

Angry faces on PMSNBC.

CNN not reporting on it yet.


87 posted on 06/27/2018 7:35:40 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: luv2ski

So how will the mediots and the dems lie about this decision.


88 posted on 06/27/2018 7:36:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Trump: "Families of American citizens murdered by illegals are permanently separated from them!)
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To: luv2ski

Excellent! I remember when I started teaching, and I was asking about being exempt from the union. I was told I had to still pay the collective-bargaining fees, and that I would have to jump through hoops to get out of the rest. Lots of I rolling and sighing and paperwork.Of course I was blackballed at that point and my job offer rescinded. I kind a new it would be :-).

Taking money from people shouldn’t be automatic, the supreme’s got this one right.


89 posted on 06/27/2018 7:36:21 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: Tzaphon; Phinneous

It’s a flipped over story when a Supreme Court ruling is 5-4.

4-5, or 5-4, on one level, soooo close. On an other, it makes all the difference. Like Pass or Fail, P or F. Opposites yet actually the same letter, hard or soft.

Just as the Torah ends at weekly reading 54, the last word being Israel, but then goes immediately to the first with, “In the beginning”. So far apart, yet so close.

Israel in the beginning, 54-1, 541. Israel. It makes all the difference.

Unions. Or not. Depends on the foundation. Explains why the last and first letters spell lev, heart.


90 posted on 06/27/2018 7:37:05 AM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: nevergore
Correct, and this could be the beginning of the end of Mike Madigan, who's had his thumb on the taxpayers of this state for over 40 years.

The Democrat campaign cash money supply is about to be cut-off, much like it was in Wisconsin. Public Sector forced union membership is expected to plummet in this state, harming the Democrats campaign coffers.

This is a huge win beyond what many of you outside of Illinois know!!

The budget mess and corruption in this state is nearly indescribable and I'm not usually caught short for words. To put it as succinctly as I can, with the end of the public sector unions on the horizon now, Democrats outside of Shitcago are going to lose their asses and their seats. That should mean more Republican's statewide which are sorely needed to deal with the budget mess, primarily driven by over 100 BILLION dollars in unfunded pension obligations, thanks largely to 40 years of rigged collective bargaining agreements with the Democrat Controlled State Legislature and the public sector unions sitting on the same side of the table.

More Republican's are needed in this state to vote to change the state constitution and eliminate taxpayer guaranteed funding of public sector union pensions. Absent changing the state constitution (which Democrats in this state will NEVER do because it guarantee's them power) nothing will change.

So yes, this is a BIG win and bigger than most of you outside of Illinois know.

91 posted on 06/27/2018 7:37:46 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Mouton

Wait till that gets to the Teachers “union”.


That is great!


92 posted on 06/27/2018 7:38:08 AM PDT by boycott
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To: nevergore

“This could break the back of all public unions....”

If it does, PA became a little bit easier for Trump to win in 2020 :-). The teachers union in this state is tyrannical.


93 posted on 06/27/2018 7:39:28 AM PDT by edh
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To: Reno89519

This shows, yet again, the importance of the courts, including the Supreme Court.

WE need to absorb and process the implications of this. I’m still doing that with yesterday’s ruling on what the liberals call the “Muslim ban” or “travel ban”.

If Hillary had won, all these cases being decided by 5-4 votes, would have been 5-4 the other way. If Hillary had won, she would have appointed a Sonya Sotomayor mini-me, to vote the liberal way.


94 posted on 06/27/2018 7:39:42 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Reno89519

Good point. Unions can have their place, but they will have to make an affirmative positive case to employees, as to why they should join the union. They have to make the case, as to why employees should pay the union dues.


95 posted on 06/27/2018 7:40:58 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SpeedyInTexas

“If I’m understanding this correctly, todays ruling only applies to public sector Unions and not to private sector unions. Is that correct?”

You are understanding it correctly. Private sector unions are NOT affected by this ruling. Only public sector unions are impacted by this decision.


96 posted on 06/27/2018 7:41:56 AM PDT by edh
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To: luv2ski

Justice Alito: Pretty much the only good thing that came from W’s second term.


97 posted on 06/27/2018 7:42:46 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Reno89519

“Unions become voluntary! ”

Municipal and government unions.


98 posted on 06/27/2018 7:44:36 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Proud member of the DWN party. (Deplorable Wing Nut))
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To: laplata

Probably.


99 posted on 06/27/2018 7:45:40 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: luv2ski

Can the disgruntled union people get their money back?


100 posted on 06/27/2018 7:47:27 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (I'm not tired of Winning yet! Please, continue on!)
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