Posted on 07/05/2018 9:11:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
One fact a lot of Americans forget is that our country is located right up against a socialist failed state that is promising to descend even further into chaos – not California, the other one. And the Mexicans, having reached the bottom of the hole they have dug for themselves, just chose to keep digging by electing a new leftist presidente who wants to surrender to the cartels and who thinks that Mexicans have some sort of hitherto unknown “human right” to sneak into the United States and demographically reconquer it. There’s a Spanish phrase that describes his ideology, and one of the words is toro.
Mexico is already a failed state, crippled by a poisoned, stratified culture and a corrupt government that have somehow managed to turn a nation so blessed with resources and hardworking people into such a basket case that millions of its citizens see their best option as putting themselves in the hands of gangsters to cross a burning desert to get cut-rate jobs in el Norte. It is a country dominated by bloody drug/human trafficking cartels that like to circulate videos of their members carving up living people. They hang mutilated corpses from overpasses and hijack busloads of citizens to rape and slaughter for fun. Whole police agencies are owned by the cartels. Political candidates live in fear of murder. The people are scared. And this chaos will inevitably grow and spread north.
When the 125-million-man criminal conspiracy that is Mexico falls apart completely, as it will, we are going to have to deal with the consequences. Watch the flood of illegals become a tsunami, a real refugee crisis instead of today’s fake one. Watch the criminal gangs and pathologies of the Third World socialist culture they bring along turn our country into Mexico II: Gringo Boogaloo. And importing a huge mass of foreigners, loyal to a foreign country and potentially susceptible to the reconquista de Aztlan rhetoric of leftists, both among them and among our treacherous liberal elite, would create a cauldron for brewing up violent civil upheaval right here at home.
So, what do we do? We defend ourselves, obviously. But how?
Should we be reactive? Should we continue the fake defense of our border we’re pretending to conduct today? Or should we seriously defend ourselves by building a wall and truly guarding it, and by deporting all illegals we catch inside. But would that even be enough when Mexico collapses?
It’s time to ask: Should we be proactive?
Should we invade Mexico? Should we send our military across the Rio Grande to secure the unstable territory, annihilate the criminal infestation that suppurates there, and impose something resembling order? One thing is certain. The border charade we tolerate today can’t be an option – it’s an open door to the fallout from the failing state next door.
Militarily, there are three obvious courses of action (I had input on this by several people familiar with the issue; none of this reflects any actual operational planning that I or anyone I spoke to is aware of).
One is the Buffer Zone option. We move in and secure a zone perhaps 50-100 miles inside the country, aggressively targeting and annihilating criminal gangs – we know where these bastards are – and thereby seal off the threat until Mexico is secure again and then return the territory once we are assured America is safe.
This is doable, but it would take a huge chunk of our military forces (we would need to call up most of our reserves). The conventional Mexican forces that fought would last for about un momento before being vaporized, but it would spark at a minimum a low-intensity insurgency by cartel hardliners and, at worst, a large one by Mexican patriots, probably using guns left over from when the Obama cartel was shipping them south. Regardless, it would be expensive. There is the “You break it, you buy it” rule. We would end up administering a long strip of territory full of people living, largely, in what Americans consider abject poverty. They would become our problem. Moreover, there is the giving back part – millions of Mexicans might find they like being nieces and nephews of Tio
t’s time to ask: Should we be proactive?
Should we invade Mexico? Should we send our military across the Rio Grande to secure the unstable territory, annihilate the criminal infestation that suppurates there, and impose something resembling order? One thing is certain. The border charade we tolerate today can’t be an option – it’s an open door to the fallout from the failing state next door.
Militarily, there are three obvious courses of action (I had input on this by several people familiar with the issue; none of this reflects any actual operational planning that I or anyone I spoke to is aware of).
One is the Buffer Zone option. We move in and secure a zone perhaps 50-100 miles inside the country, aggressively targeting and annihilating criminal gangs – we know where these bastards are – and thereby seal off the threat until Mexico is secure again and then return the territory once we are assured America is safe.
This is doable, but it would take a huge chunk of our military forces (we would need to call up most of our reserves). The conventional Mexican forces that fought would last for about un momento before being vaporized, but it would spark at a minimum a low-intensity insurgency by cartel hardliners and, at worst, a large one by Mexican patriots, probably using guns left over from when the Obama cartel was shipping them south. Regardless, it would be expensive. There is the “You break it, you buy it” rule. We would end up administering a long strip of territory full of people living, largely, in what Americans consider abject poverty. They would become our problem. Moreover, there is the giving back part – millions of Mexicans might find they like being nieces and nephews of Tio
t’s time to ask: Should we be proactive?
Should we invade Mexico? Should we send our military across the Rio Grande to secure the unstable territory, annihilate the criminal infestation that suppurates there, and impose something resembling order? One thing is certain. The border charade we tolerate today can’t be an option – it’s an open door to the fallout from the failing state next door.
Militarily, there are three obvious courses of action (I had input on this by several people familiar with the issue; none of this reflects any actual operational planning that I or anyone I spoke to is aware of).
One is the Buffer Zone option. We move in and secure a zone perhaps 50-100 miles inside the country, aggressively targeting and annihilating criminal gangs – we know where these bastards are – and thereby seal off the threat until Mexico is secure again and then return the territory once we are assured America is safe.
This is doable, but it would take a huge chunk of our military forces (we would need to call up most of our reserves). The conventional Mexican forces that fought would last for about un momento before being vaporized, but it would spark at a minimum a low-intensity insurgency by cartel hardliners and, at worst, a large one by Mexican patriots, probably using guns left over from when the Obama cartel was shipping them south. Regardless, it would be expensive. There is the “You break it, you buy it” rule. We would end up administering a long strip of territory full of people living, largely, in what Americans consider abject poverty. They would become our problem. Moreover, there is the giving back part – millions of Mexicans might find they like being nieces and nephews of Tio
Oh, in both cases the Europeans would be outraged, which is a powerful argument for these options.
Still, no. Invading Mexico is a bad idea. It would convert the problems of Mexico, created and perpetuated by Mexicans, into our problems. We tried that in the Middle East. It doesn’t work. Making Mexico better for Mexicans is not worth the life of one First Infantry Division grenadier.
But the consequences in America are our problem, and we must solve it. That brings us to the third option – Forward Defense. Think Syria in Sinaloa. We secure the border, with a wall of concrete and a wall of troops, perhaps imposing a no-fly/no-sail zone (excepting our surveillance and attack aircraft), and then conduct operations inside Mexico using special operations forces combined with airpower to target and eliminate the cartels. We would also identify friendly local Mexican police and military officials and support their counter-cartel operations outside of our relationship with the central government – they would be the face of the fight. We would channel Hernán Cortés and, in essence, we would allow friendly Mexican allies, with our substantial direct and indirect support, to create our buffer zone for us.
This avoids the problem of buying Mexico’s problems and making them ours. It’s somewhat deniable; everyone could save face by denying the Yankees have intervened. But the cartels would not just sit there and take it. They would target Americans and probably do so inside the United States. Yet that’s going to happen anyway eventually. This course of action risks the lowest number of US casualties, but perhaps the highest number of Mexican losses.
So no, we should not invade Mexico. There are no good military options, and none are necessary or wise today, but we may eventually have to choose between bad options. Mexico is failing more and more every day. We are not yet at the point of a military solution, but anyone who says that day can never come is lying to himself and to you. We need a wall, but more than that, we need the commitment to American security and sovereignty that a wall would physically represent. The issue is very clear, and we need to be very, very clear about it when we are campaigning in November. Border security. Period.
Are we going to prioritize the interests of liberals who want to replace our militant Normal voters with pliable foreigners and establishment stooges who want to please rich donors by importing countless cheap foreign laborers, or are we going to prioritize the economic security and the physical safety of American citizens by securing our border no matter what it takes?
Come on, open borders mafia, let’s have that discussion. Bueno suerte with that at the ballot box.
You have your history all screwed up.
Besides California was a GREAT State until east coast liberals emigrated here giving the state to the Democrats, and the past few Presidents/congresses failed to secure our southern borders!
Solution>>>
Ask your relatives (gat or straight) to come on back home.
Round up illegal aliens (DACA or not) and deport them all!!! Every last one of them! Now Today not next week!
Build the wall! Limit emigration to conservatives in good standing. No Leftist refugees.
Yes. Insanity does not begin to describe it.
If we would: just stop giving their kids citizenship when they’re born in an American hospital ... allowing their kids to go to our schools and raise all of our property taxes in the process ... made E-Verify mandatory for every job ... started taxing all remittance amounts at 50%, unless they can prove they made it legally ... then tax it at 20% ... went thru the Social Security database to determine how many numbers are being used by different people at the same time and deport all of them ... ended all Visa’s(except for tourist and business visas) for a period of 5-10 years and tracked down all the visa overstayer’s and deported all of them with a “never to return” identifier attached to their name ... ended all the refugee resettlement programs and started sending all those people back home or to a “safe haven” nearby ... completely end FOREVER the asylum scam that run rampant ... started going after all the folks that abuse the refugee/asylum scam like they do in Dearborn ... when they’re caught at the border or anywhere else, just hand them 2 MREs - 2 bottles of water and send them back, after a biometric scan is done and if they return, they will be detained, loaded on a C17 and flown back to their country of record, at the Southern most airport in it ... told the Mexican govt that we’re seizing a swath of land along the southern side of the border, where all vegetation will be eliminated, to create a one mile buffer zone of rocks, sand and dirt
If we did all of that, which would probably be a helluva a lot cheaper than an invasion, they would stop coming as there would be no financial reason for them to come. IF the new President of Mexico wants to play games, although I don’t think he’s going to be around long since he doesn’t want bodyguards, then fly a JDAM thru his front door.
NOUN
informal
a revolver or pistol.
“he stuck the muzzle of a gat in the face of some poor unfortunate”
Is this a joke?
Socialists and criminals have made Mexico a pit of chaos since at least 1910, so their problems are nothing new. All the USA needs is a wall, a strong ICE, and the political will to make sure America remains an independent country that protects its borders.
Let's make sure we learn correctly from history.
At least 20% of their people are in the US.
We should declare war, invade them, kill their leaders, kill the drug cartels using massive force, and send their people back home by force.
No, it’s a reasonable question to ask.
If we are to be held morally responsible for taking in the Mexican economic, crime and corruption refugees then by extension do we have the moral responsibility to fix Mexico’s problems?
We’re taking invasion sized numbers of refugees. How many are coming over here with million dollar bank accounts, university level education and crime free records?
It happened exactly like this to Reagan and the Cubans during the Mariel boatlift. They cleaned out their prisons, their insane asylums or otherwise perpetually unproductive population who were barely sustaining themselves and changing the tipping point of one party against another. Only it’s 10x worse then Cuba.
There should at least be compensation demands that are made upon Mexico, who is actually facilitating this invasion. It may be land, it may be money, it may be approval and cart blanc to fight the cartels our own way without interference from Mexican police and army — because both are notoriously corrupt.
It all starts with talks and Trump has started it with “and mexico will pay for it”. They will with certainty pay for it under Trump. He just hasn’t had the opportunity yet to decide how.
I would start with $25 per person per car, truck, bus, airplane or ship entry fee. $250 per Truck for commercial trucking entry fee. With a set maximum of how many Latin American Visa holders can be in the U.S at a time.
A proper wall and money.
Here’s my money idea:
You figure out which cartels control what portion of the border. Let’s say 3 cartels control the Mexican portion of the US/Mexico land border area and another 2 control the Mexican coastline.
I would get with each cartel leader and give them a large cash payment every year (for argument $50 million). Anyway, we count how many illegals come across in their zone and take away money for each one. The more illegals cross in their sector, the less money they get.
Combine that with a wall and the illegal problem is solved.
If we want to be bold, we tell the cartels that there’s a bounty on all illegals in the US. For each one they identify and get out of the USA (either deported, taken by them, or...by other means), they get a cash payment.
That would really solve the problem once and for all.
A proper wall and money.
Here’s my money idea:
You figure out which cartels control what portion of the border. Let’s say 3 cartels control the Mexican portion of the US/Mexico land border area and another 2 control the Mexican coastline.
I would get with each cartel leader and give them a large cash payment every year (for argument $50 million). Anyway, we count how many illegals come across in their zone and take away money for each one. The more illegals cross in their sector, the less money they get.
Combine that with a wall and the illegal problem is solved.
If we want to be bold, we tell the cartels that there’s a bounty on all illegals in the US. For each one they identify and get out of the USA (either deported, taken by them, or...by other means), they get a cash payment.
That would really solve the problem once and for all.
At some point, given the belligerence from Mexico and Central America, we should consider creating a buffer zone inside Mexico. Knock done every building, displace every single person, put up a wall, mine field in Mexico and a huge kill zone between those manned fortifications and the US border. A no man’s land where anyone in there who is not authorized US military would be shoot first, don’t bother asking questions - a weapons free area. This buffer would be too far to tunnel under.
Shut off all land border crossings - make people fly. Would stop the cartels dead in the water.
This is an important question. The headline is deliberately provocative but it raises an issue that is coming at us like a runaway freight train. In 10 years, we may not have the luxury of deciding whether to use a military response to Mexican disruption. We may have to use one to stop millions of people from crossing the border and creating literal civil war in the Southwestern United States.
Sounds like paying tribute to the Barbary Pirates.
A properly constructed and patrolled Wall can eliminate 99.9% of illegal crossings.
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As you say and I agree. Now the next one to secure is the west coast. It is now
estimated that about as many illegals are here now via the west coast as that
comes in via the southern border. These are coming from the far east, Asia, etc.
Invade Mexico? Hell Yea, take the women and leave the rest to the men. As a young man in West Texas I developed a taste for the brown eyed beauties, it still hasn’t changed.
Dozens of reasons this will not work, but I will throw it out there.
Find a figurehead, set up the “Free Revolutionary Mexican Government in Exile”, conscript every Illegal male that crosses our border as part of their Army, invade them with the “Free Revolutionary Mexican Government in Exile Army, set up a figurehead government, find and destroy every cartel you can locate. That is, they can locate. Its the FRMGEA that invading you, not the US. (It worked in Cuba didn’t it>) If the FRMGEA army loses to the Mexican Army that sort of works to. (If Mexico and send an army to the US, we can send one back.)
Somewhere in the treaty of Guadaloupe del Hildalgo, there is a provision that requires Mexico for Reimbursing the US for any expense incurred in rescuing Mexican citizens from hostile Indians. Its time to create Long skinny 10 mile wide reservations along the border, give them weapons and military training, and let the Indians patrol Their Land! (Any current resident of that 10 mile zone is reimbursed, or, becomes automatic member of the indian nation. If they catch alive some Mexicans who inadvertently wandered over the border we send bus to collect them (Making sure not to leave the reservation and wander onto US Soil) and send them back over. Reservation is Indian Territory, their rules, their immigration policy applies sorry, Senor, you never made it to the US.
We bill Mexico for the “rescue” and fund indian colleges, casinos and tax free Smoke zones.
I like the way you think but I was thinking of a nosebleed tariff on remittances. Proceeds could pay for the wall.
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