They just don't want to admit that they don't have the original (which is most likely stashed in Dr. Jones' desk...)
Posted on 07/26/2018 11:00:36 AM PDT by wildbill
On a chilly winter day in 1929, Halil Edhem, the Director of Turkey's National Museum, was hunched over his solitary task of classifying documents. He pulled towards him a map drawn on Roe deer skin. As Halil opened the chart to its full dimensions (two feet by three feet wide or 60 X 90 cm) he was surprised by how much of the New World was depicted on a map which dated from 1513.
The document was the legacy of a pirate turned Turkish Admiral, Piri Reis ( circa 1470-1554). He was born in Gallipoli, a naval base on the Marmara Sea and was the nephew of Kemal Reis, a pirate who had reinvented himself as a Turkish Admiral adventurer who had made his name in naval warfare. At the time, the distinction between pirate and Admiral was more flexible than might be expected from looking back through a Hollywood lens.
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Second, is really the only argument in favor of this theory the statement of that Colonel made in 1960 with data from 1949 ? We surely have much better data now, from studies done with much better equipment and those things called "artificial satellites". Simply basing the argument on something somebody said half a century ago is silly. If there is any validity in this theory, surely it could be checked with more modern measurements. Third, and really more important: what shape the coastline is right now, under the very thick ice sheet, is irrelevant. This is because ice weights, and weights a lot. It weights so much that it has made the Antarctic Plate sink deeper in the mantle that it would do normally. So if you were to remove the ice from the Antarctic, the landmass underneath would bounce back in a short while (in geological terms); this would obviously alter the shape of the coastline. As the reverse is also true, the coastline of Antarctic before there was an ice sheet was different from what it is now.
There are enough bits and pieces to say well beyond 12,000 years ago....massive trade was going on via the seas, and it went way past the Med and the Indian Ocean. The collapse of civilization with the sudden glacier melt....was probably pretty catastrophic.
Time travelers. Think about it. Who wouldn’t want to prank the future by going into the past to leave some mysterious object to be found much later then fast forward to the future to see how messes with people’s heads.
Some say that it accurately shows the outline of land without ice cover. Others counter that it shows the coast of South America, just bent around to match the shape of the paper (i.e. it's too long to fit so they bent it). One might ask why they wouldn't just get a bigger sheet of parchment rather than intentionally warp a map intended for navigation though.
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If one reads the article, one finds it filled with fantastical nonsense that the map was created, not in 1513, but 5000 years earlier, around the time of the origin of the Biblical Jews. The article is an example of suspending rational belief and logic, and dispensing with Occam’s Razor.
This I disagree with. Once scientists have made their mind up that something is silly, nobody will ever risk proposing investigating it further. Scientists get ridiculed for studying such things and even if they surprise themselves and find out it holds water, nobody will accept it. It's just too "out there" for them to accept.
Consider the case of the Harvard geologist who determined that there is water erosion around the sphinx despite it being in a dessert for the last several thousand years. Implication is that the sphinx is far, far older than currently assumed. He's ignored because it just can't be true, that's all there is to it. He may be wrong, I haven't seen anyone offer an alternative explanation to his findings though, not one that fully explains the marks. Just say it's not possible it could be that old.
Such as several large now underwater “temples” and other stone structures on the eastern Indian coast line.
That’s a great example. I think the man-made irrigation canals found in Botswana (nw area) probably deserve a great deal of investigation. If you go back to 12,000 years ago....the water level was 300 less than it is today.
Later, I visited the Topkapi Palace, and asked to see the map. I was told no, it was kept at the Naval Museum.
I hope somebody in Istanbul knows where the original map iskept.
Needs the Spock “Fascinating” gif.
Given some of the things we’ve found that seem to be many thousands of years old, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were civilizations far older than we are currently aware of. Mother nature is far harsher than we realize, and maintaining any type of structure over millenia, except in the most sterile environments would seem highly unlikely.
It would not surprise me at all if there were ‘civilizations’, cities, trade, etc. much earlier than we know of, that were disrupted by major event(s).
Maybe, someday we will find out.
So it would suggest seafaring men existed...more than 12,000 years ago.
Color me skeptical.
I agree
Quite possibly so. Maybe the entire world's cultures were linked together and highly sophisticated, some 5000 years ago. Then they got complacent and elected an Obama type guy to run things, and he blew it all up.
Depends upon when you think the dawn of civilization began given some would argue that there have been ancient civilizations 12000 years old and further.......
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I agree. I’m fascinated by the booms extending from so many of them. What kind of power would they have had to operate those booms. Sailboats didn’t have steam power. And the triangular sails on large ships? I’m not a sailor, but they look out of place. Sails like that belong on a Sunfish or a Scott. Too modern looking. IMHO.
Conjecture with scientific analysis has the Minoan culture mining copper in UP Michigan way back when. SOMEone took the ore. The indians weren’t using it. Samples of copper and bronze from Minoan-era artifacts were analyzed along with modern ore samples and the trace element signatures were virtually identical. Lot of weirdness going on back then, like cities miles off the coast of India now under several hundred feet of water as the last ice age ended (all those SUVs and human carbon emissions, you know, bringing about global warming... ahem).
But the current archaeological and anthropological models put all of the anomalous structures like the pyramids and gobeckli tepi and puma punku down as being constructed by agrarian societies within the past five thousand years give or take. But NOTHING was built beyond ten thousand years.
Uh huh.
They just don't want to admit that they don't have the original (which is most likely stashed in Dr. Jones' desk...)
Excellent!
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