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The Other Scandal (the homosexual predator problem AND the pro-invasion, pro-Islam problem)
Crisis Magazine ^ | September 7, 2018 | William Kilpatrick

Posted on 09/08/2018 8:14:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

The Pope’s popularity in Italy has dropped from 88 percent in 2013 to 71 percent in 2018. But you’d be mistaken to think that the decline has to do with Archbishop Viganó’s charge that Francis had covered-up for Cardinal McCarrick. The poll was taken before that story broke.

According to the poll’s author, much of the dissatisfaction with the pontiff has to do with his welcoming approach toward migrants. Even before Viganó’s bombshell accusation, Italians were already distancing themselves from the Vatican.

In a sense, the Catholic Church in Italy set itself up for rejection. In the months leading up to the March election, it doubled down on its policy of greater openness to immigrants whether legal or illegal. In a dozen different ways, Church leaders let it be known that refusal to welcome the migrant was, in effect, a rejection of Christ.

Yet voters ignored the Church and voted in large numbers for the anti-immigration parties. And there is no sign that they’ve regretted their choice. According to recent polls, many practicing Catholics prefer the hardline immigration policies of the new Interior Minister, Matteo Salvini, to those of Pope Francis. As an Ipsos poll reveals, support for Salvini doubled in four months among Catholics who attend Mass at least once a week. The director of the Ipsos Research Institute said, “There is a clear difference between a significant part of Catholic opinion and the hierarchy of the Church.”

A moment’s thought will reveal that Catholics are not only rejecting the hierarchy’s policy on immigration, but also its policy on Islam. Italians and other Europeans are not terribly concerned about immigrants from Poland, South America, India, and the Philippines. They’re worried about immigrants from Muslim countries.

With good reason. Despite numerous attempts to keep it quiet, it’s no secret anymore that the influx of Muslim migrants into Europe has resulted in a giant crime wave. And the situation in Italy is not nearly as bad as it is in other countries such as Germany, France, Belgium, England, and Sweden. In many parts of Europe, stabbings, rapes, acid attacks, and pitched battles between police and migrant gangs are daily occurrences. One can surmise, therefore, that Italy is not the only country where respect for the Church has fallen sharply.

It’s not only that the Vatican has consistently lobbied for more migrants, but also that it seems unconcerned for the victims that result from increased migration. Indeed, Church leaders have largely failed to acknowledge that there is a problem. Thus, on one occasion, Pope Francis claimed that migrant security is more important than national security, and on another occasion he chided Europeans for opposing immigration because of “threats to our comfort.”

But Europeans know that there is a good deal more to worry about than threats to their comfort. The fact that the pope has never acknowledged their genuine fear for their own safety and that of their children, suggests that he is badly out of touch with the situation.

His inability to comprehend the justifiable fears of ordinary Europeans stems from a more basic lack of comprehension. Francis doesn’t understand their fears because he doesn’t understand Islam. Francis and other Church leaders have demonstrated over and over that they are ill-informed about the Muslim faith. The most egregious example of this ignorance is Pope Francis’s avowal in Evangelii Gaudium that “authentic Islam and a proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”

Anyone with a basic knowledge of Islamic history and scripture could have predicted that the sudden influx of millions of migrants from Islamic countries would result in a wave of crime, violence, and—most predictably—sexual assaults. That knowledge was available to the Church. It could have been found in Church history or in the writings of Church Fathers or Church Doctors (such as St. Thomas Aquinas). In short, the Church was well-positioned to serve as an early warning signal. It could have alerted Catholics and other Europeans to the dangers that have always been inherent in Islam. Instead, Church leaders created a misleading narrative about Islam—one that was based on half-truths and a highly selective sampling of Muslim beliefs. Catholics who read Nostra Aetate, Lumen Gentium, and the Catholic Catechism or who attended Catholic schools came away with the impression that Islam was an upstanding fellow faith which revered Jesus and honored Mary. In short, nothing to worry about.

The Church’s misleading narrative about Islam was a main factor in rendering Europeans unprepared for what would happen once Islam became a significant presence on the continent. It wasn’t the only factor, but it was an important one. Even those who dislike the Church still pay attention to what she says. Unfortunately, Church leaders never bothered to do their homework. They preferred to go along with the fashionable multicultural notion that all religions are essentially the same. Thus, they focused on those elements in Islam that seemed vaguely Catholic—prayer, pilgrimage, fasting, and “honor” for Mary.

Of course, one doesn’t need to look into Church history in order to acquire a more realistic perspective on Islam. These days, all that is necessary is to simply look around. Ordinary Europeans are looking around and they can see that they have been seriously misled both by secular leaders and Church leaders. Recent polls show that a solid majority of Europeans now want a total halt to Muslim migration.

As I have suggested elsewhere, the Church’s cover-up of the full story about Islam is potentially a larger scandal than the cover-up of sex abuse in the Church. This is not to say that it is a more shocking scandal. The moral failings of the abusers and of those who covered-up for them are objectively more serious than the failings of those clerics who thoughtlessly repeat a fashionable narrative about Islam or those who naively believe that Christian duty requires the opening of all borders to all comers.

But the cover-up of Islam’s aggressive nature is a larger scandal in the sense that it will result in many more victims and many more traumatized relatives of victims. The Bataclan theater massacre alone resulted in 130 dead and 413 injured. This means that the number of grieving friends and relatives must have been in the thousands. The Pakistani rape gangs in Rotherham victimized 1,400 teenage girls, and thousands more have fallen victim to Muslim gangs in dozens of other English cities and towns over the last decades. In short, the scale of the suffering is immense and will likely continue to increase.

Catholic bishops have no direct responsibility for any of this, but they bear an indirect responsibility. They lobbied forcefully for open borders, they failed to anticipate the predictable result of the policies they endorsed, and they opposed immigration-control measures that might have protected Europeans from further savagery.

As the situation in Europe worsens, the Church will be seen as one of the accountable parties. Because Church leaders failed to provide due warning about the aggressive nature of Islam, they will be held responsible for a failure to protect. Because they encouraged and facilitated migration from cultures known to be misogynistic, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christian, they will be accused of reckless endangerment or its moral equivalent. For some it will even seem that the Church has taken sides against them.

I’ve indicated that the Church’s upbeat assessment of Islam can be attributed to naiveté or possibly to laziness—the kind of laziness we find in people who simply can’t be bothered to do their research. There is, of course, the darker possibility that some in the Church do fully understand the trouble with Islam, but—for whatever reason—don’t want you to know about it. If this is the case, their guilt is much greater.

Of course, many secular leaders share in the guilt. They propagated similar misleading narratives about Islam. They promised that refugees would enrich the culture, and they assured citizens that the assimilation and integration of Muslim migrants was just around the corner. But as these presidents, prime ministers, and chancellors are replaced with more clear-eyed leaders, the Church may well be left standing as the sole defender of and apologist for Islam. It won’t be an enviable position or a defensible one.

Currently, the most popular leaders in Europe are Catholics who want to put a halt to Muslim migration while simultaneously reaffirming the Christian roots of European culture. I’m thinking of individuals such as Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban, and Italian Interior Minister Matteo Salvini.

Naturally, they’re not popular with many in the establishment. In July, Famiglia Cristiana, a Catholic weekly magazine, ran a cover photo of Salvini with the caption, “Get behind me Salvini”—an obvious reference to Christ’s words, “Get behind me Satan.” In the eyes of the editors at Famiglia Cristiana, Salvini is doing the devil’s work by attempting to curb illegal immigration. But for a growing number of Italian Catholics, Salvini is a hero who is doing his best to protect the flock whose safety has seemingly become such a low priority in Rome.

The convergence in time of two scandals—one concerning sex abuse and the other concerning the Church’s facilitation of the spread of Islam—suggests that Satan has been far more active in the Vatican and environs than in the Ministry of the Interior.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: invasion; islam; vatican
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I decided to put this in News/Activism rather than the Religion Forum because it's more about Politics/Policy than it is about Faith and Morals.

On second thought, it's about both: the Politics/Policy being wrested away from the Church and used catastrophically against its Faith and Morals.

In short: the traditional, historic faith and morals of Catholicism would incline the Church-as-institution in exactly the opposite direction: against sexual predation and against Islamic invasion predation.

The spectacle of the Church acting against her own mandate as Church, is appalling. The walls and towers of the city have apparently been taken over by traitors. It's the Enemy inside the gates.

So my plea to Catholics and all others of good will: grieve but don't leave.

No fear, no flight.

It's time to fight.


1 posted on 09/08/2018 8:14:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s the left. As for the Church, it should be concerned that Europe be Catholic and not turn to Islam. That’s basic.

2 posted on 09/08/2018 8:23:35 AM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

When Pappa is a Socialist, what’d anyone expect ?

3 posted on 09/08/2018 8:23:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The church is setting itself up for spiritual demise ( such as by not cleaning up its homosexual child abuse allegations) and physical annihilation ( by pretending that Islam prays to anyone but Allah-Satan, and by supporting/enabling the Islamic invasions into Europe and North America— extremely dangerous - it took The Spanish people over 700 years to get their Muslim conquerers out of Spain after the Muslims got in)

4 posted on 09/08/2018 8:49:03 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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All true.

But the really interesting question is, what comes after annihilation?

… but when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret.

Joseph Ratzinger, 1969

5 posted on 09/08/2018 9:05:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is better to be slapped with the Truth than to be kissed with a Lie.")
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Pope JPII addressed the issue of illegal immigration specifically in 1996 in the yearly, Papal address on immigration.

To paraphrase; illegal immigrants should be welcomed TO THE EXTENT THE COUNTRY IS ABLE. If a country is not able (reasons vary), they should help immigrants find another country or SEND THEM HOME.

Year after year, in spite of efforts by those of us on the border to beg the Bishops to include the above in their millions of pro invaders’ words, that admonishment from JPII was never or rarely quoted.

The Bishops seem more Democrat in the United States than Catholic. They ignore their American flock in favor of immigrants.

6 posted on 09/08/2018 9:07:55 AM PDT by amihow
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To: faithhopecharity
it took The Spanish people over 700 years to get their Muslim conquerors out of Spain after the Muslims got in

So how long will it take the Democrats to get the commies out of their party? Oh wait, they should just change their name to the Communist Party of the United States. And then another group who are not communists could call themselves Democrats.

7 posted on 09/08/2018 9:07:55 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Dang 71%! I am Catholic and I don’t like this pope. I think he is more popular among leftists than he is among religious people.

8 posted on 09/08/2018 9:36:38 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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‘grieve but don’t leave.’

you acknowledge the church has in effect become the enemy; you then urge not to leave...why would you advocate communion with your antagonist...?

9 posted on 09/08/2018 9:48:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t want Francis to resign because Jesus gave us the structure of the Church. I don’t think this is blasphemous but it may be, I pray God takes care of it in a natural way, hopefully after his true conversion and repentance.

The other scenario I pray for is a true conversion, the likes of St. Paul’s conversion. I pray this for Francis and those priests blatantly choosing to live in sin.

10 posted on 09/08/2018 9:49:26 AM PDT by tiki
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11 posted on 09/08/2018 9:50:14 AM PDT by tiki
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To: IrishBrigade

Because the Church IS the Body of Christ. Sinful popes and priests cannot destroy it because it was established by Christ and He promised it would last until the end of time.

Saying Christ’s church is the enemy is the same as calling Christ the enemy.

12 posted on 09/08/2018 9:55:13 AM PDT by tiki
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To: IrishBrigade
Jesus came to save sinners.

He does not fail in His purpose.

But it caused Him much suffering along the way, caused Him to suffer total loss (humanly speaking) in the end: stripped, murdered, and buried in a borrowed grave.

I don't think He's offering us a way out of suffering. He's offering us a supernatural motive, and a supernatural meaning, for the choice to "Stay and suffer."

And since it's, humanly speaking, beyond out power to do this, He's offering us the power.

13 posted on 09/08/2018 9:55:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Don't leave Jesus because of Judas.")
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
There's no doubt the present pope is more popular with the global Left than with informed and believing Catholics.

But the Church is not the Mystical Body of the Pope. It's the Mystical Body of Christ.

Jesus knew Peter would fail Him. It is one of the few things which is clearly recounted in all Four Gospels.

14 posted on 09/08/2018 10:21:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Don't leave Jesus because of Judas.")
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I think news about this growing scandal needs to be in News and not be hidden behind the Catholic Caucus label.

15 posted on 09/08/2018 11:01:22 AM PDT by Moonmad27
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It depends on what kind of a discussion you're looking for.

I put it in News because I was looking for any random FReepers comments across the board, political and cultural as well as religious.

However, if I wanted to focus on in-house discussion (like, Catholic FReepers, what is your parish doing?") or just wanted to avoid incessant provocations and distractions like ""Why do you papists worship Demigoddess Mary?" -- I'd use the Caucus option.

16 posted on 09/08/2018 11:09:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." - Billie Holliday)
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To: fireman15

yes indeed. you ask an excellent question about the D party.

I think it should be seriously investigated along with SorozNazi and his funding ... purchase of the DNC and ?

there used to be some D politicians who weren’t stark raving nuts, and even some who were loyal to USA

17 posted on 09/08/2018 11:59:42 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

nice Benedict quote.


18 posted on 09/08/2018 12:04:52 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: IrishBrigade

President Barack Hussein 0bama.

‘nuff said.

19 posted on 09/08/2018 12:07:42 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
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20 posted on 09/08/2018 12:12:39 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Ain't no reaching across the aisle in Hell.)
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