Posted on 10/12/2018 7:13:42 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
President Trump praised Confederate Geader Robert E. Lee as "a great general" on Friday during a campaign rally in Lebanon, Ohio.
"So Robert E. Lee was a great general. And Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia. He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee," Trump said before launching into a monologue about Lee, Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant.
"He was going crazy. I don’t know if you know this story. But Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, 'I can’t beat Robert E. Lee,'" Trump said.
"And he had all of his generals, they looked great, they were the top of their class at West Point. They were the greatest people. There’s only one problem — they didn’t know how the hell to win. They didn’t know how to fight. They didn’t know how," he continued.
Trump went on to say, multiple times, that Grant had a drinking problem, saying that the former president "knocked the hell out of everyone" as a Union general.
"Man was he a good general. And he’s finally being recognized as a great general," Trump added.
— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 13, 2018 Trump has drawn criticism for his defense of Confederate statues, including those of Robert E. Lee.
He drew widespread condemnation last year following a deadly rally in Charlottesville, Va., saying that white nationalist protesters were there to oppose the removal of a "very, very important" statue.
"They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee,” Trump said at the time. “This week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”
Trump, speaking at another rally in Ohio last year, said that he can be one of the “most presidential” presidents to hold office. "…With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that’s ever held this office,” he said to a crowd in Youngstown.
That's ignoring the claim. The claim was that Lincoln did nothing to free the slaves in the North, something which is patently incorrect.
He didn’t. what he might have done has little bearing on the historical fact.
The slaves that served Julia Grant were freed when the state of Missouri outlawed slavery. They were never her property. They belonged to her father. He would not allow the slaves to accompany Julia when she traveled with her husband out of state of Missouri.
Maybe such a general didn't and couldn't exist: something to think about when people think about going to war.
The war that Lee wanted to fight wasn't one that he could have won -- not against Grant anyway.
His chief hope was that the other side would give up.
You are ignoring the claim. The claim was that Lincoln imposed freedom for slaves in the South but would not do so in the North where he actually had the power to do it.
My point of course is that Lincoln didn't have the legal power to do it in the North or the South.
The Historical fact is that he always had access to his logistical support, even though he chose not to use it for 20 days.
Not having it and having it while choosing not to use it are two different things.
You are 100% correct. Unfortunately this concept seems lost on way too many.
Which is the exact situation of that other famous slave owning general from Virginia who fought for Independence from a Union on behalf of a confederacy of slave owning states. :)
He took a calculated risk in not taking a supply train. His risk paid off.
Looking it up, I see that the Robert E. Lee paddle-wheel could do about 16 mph up stream, and at 800 miles from Vicksburg to Chicago, that would seem to take about 50 hours, or a little over two days. Did they sail at night? If not, then double that to four days up and four days back.
One would think that FR would be about the last place to go when seeking out admirers of Vo Nguyen Giap, a Communist who fought the US.
Jackson is 50 miles from the Mississippi. two days up river meant supply ships would have had to run the artillery gauntlet at Vicksburg, going and coming. No wagons on Grants side of the river. Supplies for Grant did not come from Chicago. They came from St Louis. Fifty miles of enemy territory subject to cavalry attacks every mile of it. That meant Grant would have to divert infantry and cavalry to protect wagons. It was a logistics problem Grant solved by simply loading each soldier with 6 days of rations and 100 rounds of ammunition. Artillery limbers carried 40 rounds each. That was sufficient ammunition for infantry and artillery. Cavalry and artillery horses grazed. He did not need resupply during the campaign. Once he was at Vicksburg, the corduroy road across Miliken Bend was completed, supplies came by boat down river from ST Louis, were off loaded up river from Vicksburg, transported by wagon on the corduroy road across Milikin bend, loaded on boats and barges, ferried across the River down river of Vicksburg then carried by wagon to Grant’s Army around Vicksburg.
I don’t have time in my life for hate.
Leave that up to Antifa.
Communists hate us, but we don’t have to hate them. All we have to do is survive.
Hate is like a poison we take hoping the other guy dies (paraphrase, I am not sure where I heard it)
Respect for your adversary’s ability, doesn’t mean you agree with their fighting position.
Constitutionally he could not. It took the 13th Amendment to do that.
As to when Grant sold his slave you are right except that his wife kept hers slaves until they escaped.
Julia Grant did not own those slaves. Her father did. Julia Grant had use of them but did not have the power to free them even if she had been so inclined.
I indeed was mistaken about when Grant freed his slave. Don't know where I got that but should have verified it before posting!!!
Been there, done that.
Go back and read post 224.
My point of course is that Lincoln didn't have the legal power to do it in the North or the South
Your point is ridiculous and wrong. But where is the surprise in that?
Sounds like a lawsuit is in order. When are you going to announce?
You might ask LD exactly which U.S. Law, Supreme Court Decision, or act of Congress denied Lincoln the legal power
to do what he did.
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