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Maybe America Just Wants To Have A Parliamentary System?
Townhall.com ^ | November 2, 2018 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 11/02/2018 10:23:11 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
This comes up with regularity, usually from people who don't find either party's platform conforming to their preferences and for some reason are shocked by that, which argues a certain political naivete or a very short memory. A party conforming perfectly to anyone's political preferences must necessarily consist of precisely one member. That is, to be sure, a reductio argument but it has a very sound basis in historical fact.

THIS, for example, is a description of the 1932 German elections that were to usher in the Nazis. Note: 61 listed parties receiving votes, 14 of which actually had seats in the Reichstag. Yes, according to parliamentarian doctrine there was something there for everyone. In practice, there was - it was one party that turned out to be for everyone, or else. And the reason a party receiving only 37% of the vote was able to do that was that the rest couldn't form a coalition in time to prevent it. Being a revolutionary party, the Communists weren't going to form a coalition with anyone because they wanted the form of the government to be forcibly changed - so did the Nazis, and so due to the 51% of the vote they had between them, the rest didn't matter.

As others have pointed out, there is no provision in the Constitution for a two-party system, nor do we really have one. I have a number of personal friends who voted for Jill Stein in the last Presidential election. In a de facto two-party system those votes may be captured by whatever party proposes policies conforming with their preference, so that de facto two-party system is, in fact, coalitional in practice. Different system, same result. Both systems have imperfections.

41 posted on 11/02/2018 11:49:10 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You are so right! I can still sing the Preamble to the Constitution thanks to Schoolhouse Rock (I even taught my boys the same song)!


42 posted on 11/02/2018 12:22:01 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: LukeL

Consider that Muslims, as a minority, vote as a block - hence a Muslim Mayor in London. They don’t need to be in large numbers either, especially if the rest are mostly in one of two other major parties. They can swing elections and get everyone to pander to them.

This is what is happening in the UK IMO.


43 posted on 11/02/2018 12:39:29 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: marstegreg

but the song was wrong.

it left something out..


44 posted on 11/02/2018 12:55:51 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Kaslin

I read this article earlier and couldn’t figure out what point he was trying to make other than he hates Trump.


45 posted on 11/02/2018 1:05:15 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: LukeL

Well Canada has the parliamentary system and IS far superior to anything except a Republic. All the proportional systems in Europe are just nuts and prevent strong and responsible government. People here want to change the Parliamentary system to a proportional representative system to which I say hell no.


46 posted on 11/02/2018 1:07:15 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: KingofZion

Yes the Prime Minister has much more authority than a President. In Canada the Senate was meant to be that check, however was dominated by the same party so pretty much rubber stamped everything coming from Parliament.

Harper tried to change that but was resisted from every corner.

Laughably Trudeau has said he is creating a Senate that has independents. Which is a ruse. The so called Independents he appointed actually vote more with the Party in power than the Liberal Senators do.

Because we don’t have an elected Senate this is what we have to live with.


47 posted on 11/02/2018 1:10:39 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Leaning Right
<>As you probably know, sometimes state legislators became deadlocked, and could not agree on a senator.<>

True, but the deadlock was due to an 1866 congressional law which required a majority vote in the state legislatures rather than a plurality. Bribery and corruption were also way over-hyped.

The Progs intended and succeeded in blowing up limited government. First of a three part series:

A Senate of the States - The 17th Amendment.

48 posted on 11/02/2018 3:03:31 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: unread; Lopeover; Reily

Ping to post #48 regarding the 17th Amendment.


49 posted on 11/02/2018 3:11:45 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

thanks


50 posted on 11/02/2018 3:24:24 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Sam Gamgee; qaz123; miss marmelstein; Shadow44; Toughluck_freeper; oblomov

Goldberg offered a glimpse into a great book by Randy Barnett, in which the rats believe, like the majority party in parliamentary systems, they get to ramrod whatever they want as if the US Constitution did not exist.


51 posted on 11/02/2018 3:31:51 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Kaslin

Or we could just make house districts square, and encourage states to split their electoral votes by %.


52 posted on 11/02/2018 6:30:02 PM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: Kaslin

bump


53 posted on 11/02/2018 8:16:32 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Jacquerie

And that’s why I would hold him complicit in every instance of obstruction, or attempted obstruction, aimed at the President and what he’s trying to accomplish.


54 posted on 11/03/2018 2:03:14 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


55 posted on 11/03/2018 3:16:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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