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Opinion: What Are The Chances That America’s Disunion Turns Into Civil War?
Market Watch ^ | 11-8-2018 | Ian Morris

Posted on 11/08/2018 8:39:26 PM PST by blam

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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Didn’t want to be preachy or anything like that but, your question was mine too so, I wrote it out to wrap my own mind around it.
81 posted on 11/08/2018 9:59:13 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.,)
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To: Salamander
Will a black fedora or tophat suffice? Got those.

Alright, but sew a Stars & Bars patch on, so we know it's you ;-)

82 posted on 11/08/2018 10:01:40 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

I would be honored.


83 posted on 11/08/2018 10:02:16 PM PST by sport
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To: WildHighlander57

Can you provide proper attribution and a link for the Stratfor article you just posted?

Thanks.


84 posted on 11/08/2018 10:06:26 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left tpoo long, they become black rifles.)
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To: your other brother

I expect the thugs on the left will begin killing people they hate, like the crap that goes on in third world countries. That will raise the stakes in this war of words to critical mass. After that, all bets are off.


85 posted on 11/08/2018 10:07:53 PM PST by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: Windflier; doug from upland

Windflier wrote:

“”I have no idea how it would be fought. There are no blue and gray uniforms.”

Both sides will quickly adopt identifying insignia or uniforms, even before hostilities begin.”

Antifa (and fellow travelers) already have.


86 posted on 11/08/2018 10:14:15 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: blam
Remember when Obama wanted a civilian security force as powerful as our military. The country will be lost for good the next time a democrat gets into office. Our borders will become even more open than they already are, and they could arm and train an army of them to against us. They will purge the military leadership and replace them with leftist. I don’t think any republican in power, at the state or national, level would start planning for war to stop it no matter how bad it got. Some just can’t accept reality.

Trump is the only one I could even imagine accepting reality, and taking the risk involved to fight back, but he needs to step things up in the time he’s got left. We can talk tough, but without leadership and organization, we won’t stop anything from happening. We know the left will use extreme measures to destroy everything good this nation was built on, but most elected republicans are either weak, or just unable to accept the reality of what's happening in the country, and what it would take to stop it.

There are way too many conservatives who are too stupid to understand that there comes a time where you must suspend the constitution in order to try and save it. They will never accept that reality no matter how bad it gets, and will be screaming about what the Constitution says in the final days of the nation they gave up without a fight.

87 posted on 11/08/2018 10:16:17 PM PST by LeeClementineKenny (INVESTIGATE ALL ELECTION FRAUD! - TRUMP 2020!!! - MAGA!!! - www.DonaldJTrump.com)
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To: Salvavida
If history is a teacher: 100%. We are somewhere between 1850 and 1860.

I feel like we're somewhere between 1916-1917, the eve of the Russian Revolution.

Psychopathic youth forming terrorist/anarchist gangs, frivolous upper & creative class, large restive underclass. The only thing, they won't have the military on their side.

88 posted on 11/08/2018 10:25:22 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: WildHighlander57
“Nothing could be less like the United States’ position in 2018. It has the most powerful and professional armed forces the world has ever seen, and there is absolutely no doubt about their loyalty to the legitimate government or commitment to the principle of civilian command. American soldiers, sailors and airmen do have political opinions, but they currently can be relied on to put their duty first. The United States therefore has far more in common with Rome in 133 B.C. than with any of the other cases. Even if U.S. senators start killing each other with chair legs, the armed forces will not take sides, other than to implement orders — so long as the orders are legitimate and legal — from their elected commander-in-chief.“

God, please give us honorable commanders in chiefs.

89 posted on 11/08/2018 10:25:33 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.,)
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To: Windflier

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-are-the-chances-that-americas-disunion-turns-into-civil-war-2018-11-07


90 posted on 11/08/2018 10:31:26 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: blam

I would not want a shooting civil war to decide it, but I would welcome the formation of the Conservative States of America. Then libs can name their nation whatever they want. I would predict the Progressive States of America.


91 posted on 11/08/2018 10:31:57 PM PST by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: Pelham

Actually, in a real sense, there is geographic separation: rural/semi-rural vs the de facto city-states.


92 posted on 11/08/2018 10:34:21 PM PST by Skywarner
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To: doug from upland

In some civil wars, there are no uniforms. At least not early on. Take a look at some of those.

That said, in the Western world, one group or another usually dons some sort of identifying clothing, as things go on, as it is not helpful to kill a lot of your own group.


93 posted on 11/08/2018 10:40:47 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: Pelham

There was no strict dividing line between north & south during the first civil war there were border states like Kentucky, Maryland & Missouri with divided loyalties even in solid confederate states there were areas loyal to the union Knoxville & the “kingdom of Jones” in Alabama. West Virginia actually became a state by succeeding from Virginia during the civil. In NYC during the civil war the Democratic Party machine Tammany hall organized the draft riots after Gettysburg to create a diversion to save the army of northern Virginia. If you look at the electoral map of the country in the 2016 election the country is definitely divided along geographical lines. With pro communist sentiment concentrated in the coastal areas. I don’t hesitate to called the Democratic Party the American communist party which it clearly is. The war probably will not have organized armies but will be fought asymmetrically & will probably have more foreign intervention the Chicom’s seemed poised to side with pro communist side. Russia might take advantage to take Alaska.


94 posted on 11/08/2018 10:46:48 PM PST by cctrout
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To: blam
This all pretty much seems beside the point. America is a unique place at a unique point in time.

If I read his assumptions and conclusions correctly there would have been no war of independence.

95 posted on 11/08/2018 11:12:43 PM PST by gogeo (The Repubs may not always deserve to win, but the RATs always deserve to lose.)
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To: Skywarner

Maybe the solution is for the largest cities to exist as semi-independent city-states. The citizens there cannot vote in state or federal elections, but they can have their own constitution and vote themselves all the dictators they like.

Such cities would be one-party states run by rich oligarchs, basically like now. They could do almost any progressive thing they wanted, short of executing political prisoners. Instead, they could exile their dissidents (we would thus get a stream of their best people). Meanwhile the worst people on our side would leave to get the free recreational drugs or whatever the Socialists promise. We could trade with the city-states and even have a common currency.


96 posted on 11/08/2018 11:13:43 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: txnativegop

It will be like Northern Ireland, but instead of green and orange it will be red and blue.


97 posted on 11/08/2018 11:16:39 PM PST by doomtrooper99 (Mr Truman, you did not finish the job)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

The largest “blue” cities and their immediate surrounding blue or deep purple areas could be these city-states. There are some cities that are a mixture and there are smaller blue cities where this would not work.

I don’t think anyone should have dual citizenship in my proposed city-state and in the United States.


98 posted on 11/08/2018 11:22:55 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: FLT-bird

Peaceful separation is not possible. Progressives are like cancer, they just spread.


99 posted on 11/08/2018 11:24:30 PM PST by doomtrooper99 (Mr Truman, you did not finish the job)
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To: Windflier

No problem!

:)


100 posted on 11/08/2018 11:56:40 PM PST by Salamander (My Soul's On Fire...)
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