Posted on 11/26/2018 9:35:23 AM PST by yesthatjallen
Edited on 11/26/2018 11:17:59 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
“The best term to describe a black man who concealed carries is “suicidal”.”
You are repeating the leftist narrative that black men are killed more often by cops. This is debunked by statistics.
The cops got home safe that night? Right? That’s ok then. /s
As a white male, if I were carrying and entered into a shooting situation, I think I would try to intervene with my weapon.
But I hope I wouldn’t allow myself to forget that an LEO running into the situation who spots me might well think I am the shooter...and might shoot me, for all my good intentions.
This stuff isn’t like a video game. It is real life, with people holding guns who may be terrified, poorly trained, confused or simply jump to a conclusion seeing me standing near a body, even if I am looking towards a shooter.
I don’t think it is racist to say, it is a statement of fact, that the situation is fraught with even more danger for a black man. Like it or not, a disproportionate amount of violent crime is attributable to, and involves black men between the ages of 18 and 45.
That is a fact of life known to every law enforcement agency and officer across this country, regardless of what race they are. Black police officers are just as aware of it as white police officers.
So the margin for misunderstanding and confusion has the potential to be more widespread and deadly for a Good Samaritan black man. Just a fact of life.
Agreed. It isn't suicidal for a black man to conceal carry...in some places, it might be suicidal NOT to conceal carry.
For a black man, the potential of a tragic misunderstanding due to confusion, fear, poor training and so on is higher for them.
It isn't fair, but that is how it is.
There’s a lot more to this story than what’s being reported. Bradford was party to the argument that lead to the first shooting. It’s not totally clear what involvement he had.
You have this guy who was shot by the cops when it appears all he was doing was trying to defend himself. You have that security guard in the Chicago area a week or so ago who was detaining someone who was acting violently in a club and the police shot him. Show me similar instances where police came across white guys using their legally carried firearms to defend themselves and then shot them and I'll concede your point. But the statistic you quote is all police shootings regardless of whether the suspect was firing at the police or not.
You are recognized as a veteran by the VA at 180 days of service, and become eligible for benefits.
It does not matter why he was released, if he did not make it through AIT he is not a veteran.
If 180 days signifies 6 month, I believe it is six months and one day.
That way weekend warriors that sign up for 6 mo and serve for that period of time cannot get benefits.
That was a couple of stories ago. Now the police have backed away from that.
You’re a liar. If a person is discharged after becoming injured and/or disabled while performing military duties (service connected injury) they are a Veteran no matter how long they served. Smarten up
I attribute it to youth...at 21, all his gears were well lubed and his adrenaline system supercharged....
Yeah, in that situation, my adrenaline system would be bubbling over as well, though I am certain there would be rust and crud on my gears.
I periodically run through scenarios with the wife so she doesn't have to do any heavy thinking to react in a way to protect herself from bad guys and/or LEOs if she ever finds herself in a situation....if it's a bad guy and she feels the need to shoot - it's keep firing into center mass - and follow the perp down to stay on center mass - until the slide locks back and then pop in the spare mag before checking to see if she has need for further action...and to make sure the weapon isn't in her hand when "help" arrives...let them know where the weapon is, status of being loaded, and keep her hands shoulder high throughout w/o reaching for it and let them remove it from her possession.
No other statements w/o a lawyer present.
I do the same thing...my wife is not necessarily a 2nd Amendment person, though her father and brothers all had firearms...and when I ponder these kinds of things, she doesn’t appear to understand why I think about them. I can work with that...it isn’t a prerequisite for me that she knows or understands.
I have no idea how I am going to respond if I am ever in a situation where I have to use a firearm. I have never been in combat more than a non-deadly physical struggle with someone, but I hope to God that if my life or the life of someone else depends on my actions...I can do what is needed.
But who ever knows in advance how they will respond.
But when I read about these situations here on FR, I make sure to think long and hard about them, turn them over in my mind, so that I can have a judgment stored away.
I live in a Blue State. If I ever have to use deadly force, I am likely to get the shaft from the state even if I have done what a reasonable person might do. I am trying to learn the laws more concretely so that when I analyze these things I can do so in the framework of our restrictive state laws on the use of deadly force. We do not have a “stand your ground” statute here, and I have a gut feeling that even if someone had a weapon pointed at me and I shot and harmed them, I could be nailed to the hull by the state.
No two situations are likely to be alike.
But I think there is value to doing this mental exercise. I would rather have taken the time to at least think about it, than to find myself in a situation that is completely new and unique in my mind with no frame of reference.
That would be far worse, I think.
They backed off that he was the shooter. He was an acquaintance of the 18 year old.
Your observations need to be noted by others here - nobody knows how they will react until the situation is upon them - very true of myself - and all we can do is prepare best we can. I’ve seen many assert how bad-ass and cool they would be - hope they never have to find out because it might cause a catatonic reaction when their ego is deflated.
You and I are on the same page. We do have combat veterans on here, and I expect they have some idea how THEY will handle it.
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