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Pot Addicts Are Okay But Legitimate Chronic Pain Sufferers In Need of Opioids? Not So Much.
Townhall.com ^ | December 17, 2018 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 12/17/2018 11:04:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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61 posted on 12/17/2018 12:01:08 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: conejo99

I’m actually agnostic on pot. what I strongly oppose is the type of single-issue blindness that leads people to vote for a candidate that is 99% full of sinister BS because he is 1% right on their sacred issue — pot.

. . . and I am particularly annoyed at libertarians because, although they NEVER get elected to anything, they to sometimes supply the margin of victory to liberal democrats who then go to WashDC and hijack everyone’s healthcare. everyone’s healthcare was NOT worth their legal pot.


62 posted on 12/17/2018 12:02:47 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: Kaslin

The difference is cannabis has not done damage to a single cell in any human body. Even at doses that would be impossible to consume and cost thousands of dollars, you cannot cause damage. If you forget and take another dose of cannabis, it will not harm you. Hell, if you try your damnest to kill yourself, nothing will happen except long sleep. Cannabis has no physical withdrawal symptoms besides slightly less sleep. Coffee and refined sugar are far more physically addictive than cannabis (”dont talk to me until I had my coffee!”).

Opiods can easily kill you if you abuse or just forget about multiple doses. Opiods cause devastating withdrawal sickness that make it near impossible to quit. Opiod tolerance of heavy users goes through the roof and we allow super opiods like fentanyl/carfentanyl to be legally sold.

These things are practically bioweapons that can kill most people with a tiny grain simply contacting their skin. Any comparison to the herbal medicine cannabis is absolutely ludicrous!


63 posted on 12/17/2018 12:03:08 PM PST by varyouga
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To: mountainlion
Emergency rooms were deluged with psychotic problems when Colorado legalized. One kid freaked out and jumped out a window to his death and another one thought he could fly.

I could see the jumping out of the window thing, because an extreme dose of THC, which one will get easily through "edibles" if one doesn't know what he is doing, can bring about some rather severe stress and paranoia in the uninitiated. However, freakin' nobody thinks they can fly just on THC. Most likely, assuming that anecdote is true, the person was on something else, either with, or instead of.

I'm going to clue some of you rabid anti-pot people in on something: the outlandish claims that you make regarding the effects of marijuana, oftentimes blatantly confusing marijuana with PCP, LSD or God-knows-what, actually serve to diminish the credibility of any anti-marijuana argument. Those who have experience with pot know that you're full of sh*t in this regard, and therefore assume that all of your argument is BS, and those who don't have personal experience with pot but know decent people who do, also end up thinking your arguments are BS.

But what is worse is that then you get a whole generation doubting the arguments against any drug use, because if the anti-pot stuff is BS, what else is BS? Add to that the fact that we once outlawed alcohol for many of the same reasons that anti-pot people want to ban pot, and you have lost all credibility. And yet, we very much need for there to be a valid anti-drug argument, especially for some of the really nasty stuff.

tl;dr Stop making nonsensical, emotional, sarcastic, hysterical claims about mj if you want to retain credibility at all
64 posted on 12/17/2018 12:04:32 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Leep
Hypocrite? I ask you specifically about weed.
my post was facetious. I was parodying the stoners.
65 posted on 12/17/2018 12:05:45 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: JohnBrowdie
The stoner FR contingent ....

Similar to the old-time "tobacco FR contingent," whose only issue seemed to be the promotion of tobacco use.

66 posted on 12/17/2018 12:05:45 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: snowtigger

“Thank God it was legalized in Alaska.”

Thank you for sharing your story. Thank God so many people are seeing through the pharma propoganda.


67 posted on 12/17/2018 12:06:23 PM PST by varyouga
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To: JohnBrowdie

Where’s that “like” button when I need it? (I like your post.)


68 posted on 12/17/2018 12:06:29 PM PST by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

You did a good job..with the all caps and the sounding crazy part,too.


69 posted on 12/17/2018 12:08:49 PM PST by Leep (we need a Trump like leader for President 2024!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had a relative die with cancer in his back. He was in agony and the opioids were his only relief and he had to have that relief or wanted to be knocked out.

Doctors need to be more lenient with prescribing them for surgeries etc... I had hemorrhoid surgery a couple of years ago and it HURT and I was prescribed opioids. But it was a fairly limited amount right off the bat in one prescription, not even a weeks worth. I took two and then switched to prescription strength Ibuprofen. After hemorrhoid surgery the last thing I needed was constipation from opioids.

If marijuana legitimately helps certain ailments, fine, but that needs to be a narrow definition. My first cousin started with marijuana, it was and still is his drug of choice but he would take anything after a while. He is in his late forties and has been an addict since his late teens. The last six months he has been clean. We are praying for the best but prepared for the worst. His niece, whom he started her off on marijuana will take, snort or shoot anything you give her. Five kids later the state decided it might want to tie her tubes.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water on opioids. Restrict the prescriptions more to cancer patients in agony and those in real pain.


70 posted on 12/17/2018 12:10:26 PM PST by sarge83
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To: mountainlion
For gawd's sake. Did you even read the article you posted from Huzlers??? It's worse than World News Daily. From the article:

Reporters are telling us that most of the individuals who died were cremated and had so much marijuana in there system that funeral home workers and crematorium workers were all “Blazed as f*ck” while the cremations were happening and even reported to be high even after 5 days.

And as for the other two articles, I'm pretty sure that at least one person has shot their wife and another has jumped out of a window without smoking the "Devil's Weed."

Holy-moly some of you people are exhausting...

71 posted on 12/17/2018 12:10:52 PM PST by Magnatron
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To: JohnBrowdie; jmacusa

LOL!

However....comma....

Even I have chronic pain from Bruxism(headaches like a hangover, teeth hurting, jaw and neck sore), two shoulder surgeries that left me in low level pain when that shoulder is not being used to excruciating pain if I mop a floor or workout.

Since this fake epidemic I can no longer get any medication for relief.

Oh but, the moralists out there say “take pot, CBD...” clowns.

It doesn’t work....on me.

Efficacy is not universal, like getting drunk isn’t a sure thing when two men drink exactly the same amount of alcohol.

Drugs and booze have differing effects on other people, with different results unique to each individual.

For instance, there are some drugs I cannot take because they just make me sick.

MJ smoked is gross.

CBD has zero effect on my shoulder and even less for my bruxism.

Still, the nanny state, MAD, AA, etc and church going prima donna’s say “Too effin bad about your pain and it’s effect on your daily life”


72 posted on 12/17/2018 12:12:10 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: RedStateRocker

I have been on pain meds for 10 yrs, it took six of those yrs to get the pain relief mix right. I take two different short term opiods 4 times a day, as well as gabapentin and lyrica for nerve damage. The pharmacist constantly questions why I take two lesser opiods instead or morphine. DOH, because I try to take the minimum dose I can. He also questions Lyrica and gabapentin.. DOH different receptors. The pharmacist is trying to reduce his customers on certain meds to show “progress” in reducing opiods under florida’s new guidelines. I also can’t get prescriptions early or more than a 30 day supply, And you must be physicallly present at your pain management doctor to get a prescription issued on paper, no over the phone renewals. So I’m tethered to the house, no two month road trips to visit the kids, or friends. And for those of you without high level chronic pain, consider yourself lucky. A day without my meds would be like a nail driven through my big toes and my legs recovering from burns at the same time.


73 posted on 12/17/2018 12:14:29 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Kaslin

Because pot is legal opioid use should be too?

I guess marijuana might be the gateway drug that so many have claimed it is.


74 posted on 12/17/2018 12:16:55 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Waverunner

I never knew there was such a thing as a pain management doctor???


75 posted on 12/17/2018 12:18:08 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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To: Waverunner

I have to be drug tested every two months to get my tramadol from the va. I don’t know if they are checking if I take them or get more somewhere else. I have bee taking the same dosage for years with no change.


76 posted on 12/17/2018 12:23:13 PM PST by Oldexpat (Jobs Not Mobs)
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To: Waverunner

Yes, but, all that is worthwhile to even slightly reduce the chance that some darwinbait idiot without whom the world would be better can’t get their hands on some knock off Chinese stuff and clean the genepool. I mean your pain means nothing to the Authoritarians posing as conservatives - all that matters is adherence to the State. /sarc

I sincerely wish all the bastards who want these substances to be in any way restricted from someone who believes they need them could suffer for a few years in the extreme pain a couple of my friends have had to put up with.


77 posted on 12/17/2018 12:34:07 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: Vendome

I wish these nanny-state worshippers could suffer the level of pain you and a few others have to go through. ‘Moralist’ ass clowns who are more worried about somebody overdosing than they are about people in pain. I’d rather the genepool clean itself out by a few hundred thousand AND people who need pain relief get it in the quantity and ease that they need it.


78 posted on 12/17/2018 12:36:56 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think if someone has a well documented need for pain control, they should get the absolute best pain meds which are available, namely, opioids, or synthetic opioids. People should not be made to live with chronic pain. It is barbaric and in some cases will lead to suicide.


79 posted on 12/17/2018 12:37:15 PM PST by McCarthysGhost
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To: Bonemaker

You can oppose government meddling without assuming the role of medical professional qualified to make medical arguments. She failed to do that in this article.


80 posted on 12/17/2018 12:42:55 PM PST by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 2)
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