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1 posted on 01/09/2019 9:05:57 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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Sounds good.
But, of course, we know what will happen.
Need it be said?
One of the troubling questions in the multiverse is why do groups who have never had a successful idea keep dominating the conversation?


2 posted on 01/09/2019 9:07:56 AM PST by Da Coyote
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Another oppressive law expanding the power of bureaucrats.

Masquerading as “rights”


4 posted on 01/09/2019 9:12:29 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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People dispatched tens of millions of television sets to the dump because the Government decreed we do digital. Not because the manufacturers engaged in sinister conspiracies.


5 posted on 01/09/2019 9:13:10 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Farm tractor equipment needs to open up their engine codes like the automobile industry did.


6 posted on 01/09/2019 9:13:20 AM PST by taxcontrol
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automobiles and major appliances ... Junk


7 posted on 01/09/2019 9:15:57 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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There was a time when this was already the case through natural competition to make “quality” products at still decent prices. Then the throw away consumerism sales tactic and culture came along. But we did it to ourselves by wanting as much for one part being equal to the whole cost of a new one.


8 posted on 01/09/2019 9:16:37 AM PST by Openurmind
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Didn’t we just do “cash for clunkers”? Now it’s “keep the clunkers running”?


9 posted on 01/09/2019 9:17:06 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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Our 1st Maytag washer lasted 25 years. Since then we are on washer #3.


10 posted on 01/09/2019 9:19:33 AM PST by Lockbox
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This consists of a series of proposals from European environment ministers to force manufacturers to make goods that last longer and are easier to mend.

The European proposals refer to lighting, televisions and large home appliances.

The reason these things don't last as long is DIRECTLY related to Global Warming and energy efficiency standards.

Years ago I spent a day in a conference with a Dupont or GE engineer, an older gentlemen. There was a topic regarding energy standards that sparked some discussion that he was passionate about. The energy efficiency standards and regulations that manufacturers are held to require moving parts to be lighter and more energy efficient. This means gears, motor housings, belts/chains, bearings, components, etc. all have to be made of lighter parts. This reduces the horsepower and size of electric motors. Engineering technology has also advanced to a point where the power needs can be calculated for "just the right size". According to him, this creates the quality problems and life expectancy issues in many mechanical appliances these days.

Add the cost of electronics to govern motors for energy efficiency and the additional parts to monitor and control the use of energy and you both increase the costs and complexity as well as introduce more parts and mechanisms that are subject to failure.

In the old days, machines were over designed a little to make sure their quality was better than the competition. They sought future sales and reputation as a vital component to their profitability and longevity as a business. Today, they need to have the cheapest product and beat the competition in the short term year over year as corporate value is analyzed quarterly.

So complaining that the quality of manufactured products is contributing to global warming is like complaining that a camp fire is consuming your fire wood.

11 posted on 01/09/2019 9:19:45 AM PST by Tenacious 1
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They’re going to force the repair of machines they deem not environmentally acceptable? Fat chance. Too bad. Those are the only machines that do what they’re supposed to do. Now everything is half-washed and half-a$$ed... for the planet. Pffftt….


13 posted on 01/09/2019 9:24:44 AM PST by rhombus10
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I need to say good...the old hometown Fix it Shop need to come back. This might help...


16 posted on 01/09/2019 9:27:37 AM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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Stupid idea. This would mean the government would assume complete control of the manufacturing process in this country and every other country in the world. That’s almost communism, where government owns all the means of production.


17 posted on 01/09/2019 9:28:52 AM PST by I want the USA back (Transgendered men don't become female. They become female impersonators.)
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which fuels climate change from the greenhouse gases released in the manufacturing process.

BULLCRAP!!!

18 posted on 01/09/2019 9:29:10 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Hi.

I’ve owned a few homes. Both rent and occupy.

GE appliances went from great to sh!t in less than four years.

Unfortunately, I can relate to the article.

5.56mm


21 posted on 01/09/2019 9:33:19 AM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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Ping


24 posted on 01/09/2019 9:37:14 AM PST by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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I had no idea this was a climate change issue. It is a consumer’s rights issue. The counter argument that it threatens intellectual property rights should of course be addressed and resolved. But holding consumers and their wallets hostage is not the answer.


25 posted on 01/09/2019 9:37:30 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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I love the throwaway culture.

Since I know how to fix a lot of that stuff, I can always get around the more simple proprietary screws and glue schemes and have it working in a day.

But yeah, people ought not have to go through heck just to replace a fuse.


26 posted on 01/09/2019 9:37:57 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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I notice that this proposal doesn't cover the really big ticket items like farm equipment and vehicles. On modern harvesters if a part breaks often times even if it is replaced with an original manufacturer's part the harvester's software system will not recognize the replaced part and the farmer has no access to the software. This means that either an authorized repairman come to the farm or the farmer is forced to haul it into the authorized dealer repair shop.
28 posted on 01/09/2019 9:39:22 AM PST by wildcard_redneck
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To all you climate changers out there, if you want to improve just about ANYTHING in the USA, including your fraudulent Climate Change, here’s a few tips:

1. Term Limits for all Public Office Holders everywhere in the US
2. Like Texas, limit legislatures sessions to once every two years for six months.
3. Pass a law forcing non military federal employment to half of what it is today.

4. Abolish nearly all federal agencies.

5. Balance the budget

6. Build the wall.

7. Enforce E verify and Voter ID.

8. Abolish the Income Tax and IRS with it. Replace with a revenue neutral National Sales Tax.

The spinoff from items 1 - 8 would help the environment more than 1 more dumbass regulation.


33 posted on 01/09/2019 9:56:07 AM PST by Cen-Tejas
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“This consists of a series of proposals from European environment ministers to force manufacturers to make goods that last longer and are easier to mend.”


Ah, yes, the government again intervening in the free market. All that this will do (if adopted) is to increase the price of the goods affected. After all, longer-lasting machinery needs to be built from better materials and also be better designed...neither of which is free. If things are easier to fix, that again requires better design, along with a supply of spare parts, and space in which to store all of the spare parts, and employees and a manufacturing facility to MAKE the spare...none of which is free. Oh, and then the manufacturers will HAVE to charge more for these appliances because longer-lasting equipment will very adversely affect their bottom line for years (or, more likely, decades) into the future.

BTW, I would bet that for just about any of the appliances mentioned, there are already manufacturers who make better, longer-lasting, products...but you probably pay 40% - 100% more for the product.

In the meantime, by pricing more people out of the market (which is ALL that this proposal will do), you will wind up with a bunch of poor folks trying to jury-rig the electrical components of their broken appliances, leading to many more fires and deaths going forward. I’d venture to say that the additional fires will add so much pollution to the atmosphere that it will offset any savings of pollution related to better appliances.

In summary, I’ll quote the great philosopher Ringo Starr:

“Everything that the government touches, turns to shit.”


34 posted on 01/09/2019 9:56:17 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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