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Sweden says it built a Russian fighter jet killer - and stealth is totally irrelevant
Business Insider ^ | February 9, 2019 | Alex Lockie

Posted on 02/08/2019 6:41:29 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

The commander of Sweden's air force, Mats Helgesson, recently made the bold statement that his country's Saab Gripen E fighter could beat Russia's formidable fleet of Sukhoi jets with none of the expensive stealth technology the US relies on.

"Gripen, especially the E-model, is designed to kill Sukhois. There we have a black belt," Helgesson told Yle.fi at a presentation in Finland, where Sweden is trying to export the jets.

Russia's Sukhoi fighters have achieved a kind of legendary status for their ability to out-maneuver US fighter jets in dogfights and pull off dangerous and aggressive stunts in the air, but Gripen may have cracked the code.

The Gripen can't carry the most weapons, has no real stealth, isn't the longest-range, fastest, or even cheapest jet, but it has a singular focus that makes it a nightmare for Russia's fighter jets.

Justin Bronk, an aerial combat expert at the Royal United Services Institute, told Business Insider that like the A-10 Warthog was built around a massive cannon, the Gripen was built around electronic warfare.

Virtually all modern jets conduct some degree of electronic warfare, but according to Bronk, the Gripen E stands above the rest.

Gripen pilots don't like to show their cards by demonstrating the full power of the jet's jamming in training, but according to Bronk, the one time they did, it completely reversed the course of the mock battle in training.

"Several years ago the Gripen pilots got tired of being made fun of by German Typhoon pilots and came to play with their wartime electronic warfare and gave them a hell of a hard time," said Bronk. One of the Gripens was "reportedly able to appear on the left wing of a Typhoon without being detected" by using its "extremely respected" jamming ability, said Bronk.

"It would be fair to assume the Gripen is one of the most capable electronic warfighters out there," he went on, adding that the Gripens that baffled the Typhoons were of the C/D series, which have much less powerful electronic warfare capabilities than the E series Gripens Helgesson described.

Who needs stealth?

To defeat Russia's fearsome fighters and surface-to-air missiles, the US has largely turned to stealth aircraft. Stealth costs a fortune and must be built into the shape of the plane.

If Russia somehow cracks the code of detecting stealth-shaped fighters, the US's F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history, is cooked.

But Saab took a different, and cheaper, approach to combating Russia's fighters and missiles by focusing on electronic attack, which gives them an advantage over stealth as they can evolve the software without a ground-up rebuild, according to Bronk.

Saab plans to update the software on the Gripen E every two years, giving it more flexibility to meet evolving challenges, according to Bronk.

But, "the problem with basing a survival strategy around an electronic warfare suite is you don't really know if it's going to work," he said. "Even if it does, it's going to be a constant battle between your adversary and you" to get the edge on the enemy fighters as wave forms and methods of attack continuously change.

However, Sweden benefits from a Russian focus on US fighters. "Sweden is too small really to optimize your counter-electronic warfare capabilities against," said Bronk.

If war broke out between Russia and the West, Russia would likely try hardest to push back on US electronic warfare rather than against Sweden's Gripen Es, which there would only be a few dozen of.

Flankers beware

The whole concept of the Gripen E is to "operate in Swedish territory, take advantage of all sorts of uneven terrain under cover of friendly surface-to-air missiles with a superb EW suite which should in theory keep it safe from the majority of Russian missiles and air to air threats," said Bronk.

Additionally, the Gripen E can fire almost any missile made in the US or Europe.

"If you couple a very effective radar with excellent EW and a Meteor, the most effective longest range air-to-air missile which is resistant against [Russia's] jammers... There's no reason not to assume it wouldn't be pretty damn effective," said Bronk. "If you're a flanker pilot, it's probably a very scary thing to face." Who needs stealth?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; finland; gripen; russia; sweden
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The Gripen E series fully armed.Saab

1 posted on 02/08/2019 6:41:29 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So tell me: why does everyone out there not like the Russians?


2 posted on 02/08/2019 6:44:32 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Fine machine. For Sweden the one right tool for the job at hand.

Hopefully..


3 posted on 02/08/2019 6:45:46 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They are tiny little things aren’t they?


4 posted on 02/08/2019 6:49:29 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

LOL..best post for the thread!


5 posted on 02/08/2019 6:51:00 PM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Personally, I like the Swedes however... the odds that Russia, or any Russian armed nation will attack them is rather small. To me it sounds like some old grandmothers arguing over which swimsuit was prettier during the 1931 bathing beauty contest.


6 posted on 02/08/2019 6:51:28 PM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Nice jets but ignition switch on the floor is tough to get used to.


7 posted on 02/08/2019 6:52:08 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Russian arrogance far exceeds its real ability. It has an economy not much bigger than Mexico. Anything Russian is not what it seems.


8 posted on 02/08/2019 6:52:43 PM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Russia's Sukhoi fighters have achieved a kind of legendary status for their ability to out-maneuver US fighter jets in dogfights and pull off dangerous and aggressive stunts in the air...

Huh?

When did we have even ONE dogfight?

They've buzzed us a few times, and aggressively so, but if the balloon goes up they won't be doing THAT anymore.

9 posted on 02/08/2019 6:53:57 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The ultimate in electronics warfare is if one could make a hostile fall out of the sky by jamming/interference.

To trip up fly by wire.

10 posted on 02/08/2019 6:56:30 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Because they rejected the globalism and control of Western bankers, and they still hang on to the archaic belief that a nation should be the primary unit. They hate homosexuality, and work against it. And they’ve been rebuilding Orthodox churches that were destroyed in the Soviet era.


11 posted on 02/08/2019 6:57:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That’s a pretty cool Electric System. Can it detect concentrations of moslems in your country?


12 posted on 02/08/2019 6:58:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Convenient bogeyman. Like they’ll ever use their Sukhoi-killers on what’s really a threat to the average Swede.


13 posted on 02/08/2019 6:59:45 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: vannrox

It’s just a sales pitch. They’re trying to sell jets to other countries.


14 posted on 02/08/2019 6:59:53 PM PST by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Do they call it a kick-starter? :-D


15 posted on 02/08/2019 7:00:49 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And likely cost a fraction of the F-35


16 posted on 02/08/2019 7:01:13 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sweden is being literally destroyed by barbarians it is importing to rape its women, not by Sukhois, and they are too stupid to realize it.


17 posted on 02/08/2019 7:02:56 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Presentinggggg... THE KARL XII!


18 posted on 02/08/2019 7:08:07 PM PST by Psalm 144 (2016 Election Tampering: a weasel borne plague originating in the UK.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The US Navy EF-18 Growlers fill this role. During the Iraq wars, the USAF insisted that the US Navy EA-6B Prowlers go in first to destroy or fry Iraqi air defense site. The USAF tries to hide; the Navy just dries their asses.


19 posted on 02/08/2019 7:13:01 PM PST by WASCWatch
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They’re ready to take on the Russians but seem unable to cope with the Muslim savages invading their country.


20 posted on 02/08/2019 7:14:20 PM PST by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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