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India confirms loss of MiG-21 in Pakistan skirmish
FlightGlobal ^ | 27 February, 2019 | Dominic Perry

Posted on 02/27/2019 5:25:10 AM PST by Freeport

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To: donozark
Mig 21 has been around since the 50s. Surprised India using it for frontline aircraft.

I would think they are more of a tripwire than anything else.

21 posted on 02/27/2019 6:34:34 AM PST by afterhoursarmory
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To: DIRTYSECRET

You probably wont see that, but an India-Pakistani confrontation could highlight their differing interests. Russia has a good relationship with India, who is a historic customer and counterweight to China.

Pakistan is China’s partner, and they both have border issues with India.


22 posted on 02/27/2019 6:38:25 AM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: Freeport

So was it a gen 2 cat fight or 4 vs 2? Assume the latter.


23 posted on 02/27/2019 6:40:56 AM PST by 03A3 (FTNFL)
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To: Vaquero

Why we ever got in bed with Pakistan so deep is beyond me, war on terror or not. This isn’t going to end well at all unless they deescalate soon.

North Korea is one thing, but we have China holding (loosely) his leash. Pakistan and India, no one matters to them besides each other.

Harboring Osama Bin Laden like they did shows exactly which side they will be on if we are involved with them.


24 posted on 02/27/2019 6:42:55 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: donozark

India is currently upgrading their airforce with the purchase of a bunch of F16 variants dubbed the F21 from Lockheed Martin. I think they are buying 114 of them.


25 posted on 02/27/2019 7:24:22 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: central_va
MIG-21? They still make parts for that thing?

The Fishbed will fly forever. It's cheap, and the Soviets sold swarms of them. I'm just surprised India still uses this crap. Pakistan was a US weapons customer from way back, which evens the odds a little bit, but I suspect the Indians are holding two hands behind their back and could smash the Pakis conventionally in a few days.

26 posted on 02/27/2019 7:36:20 AM PST by scottinoc
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To: scottinoc

What the hell did they attack, a training facility?


27 posted on 02/27/2019 7:40:05 AM PST by papertyger (America: former Constitutional Republic to current Oligarchy.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
...F16 variants dubbed the F21 from Lockheed Martin

That is one mean looking bird!

28 posted on 02/27/2019 7:47:39 AM PST by papertyger (America: former Constitutional Republic to current Oligarchy.)
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To: Vaquero

I think Pakistan would go nuclear before India.

If they do, India’s retaliation would be immediate, devastating and spectacular.................


29 posted on 02/27/2019 7:55:30 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

139 Chengdu J-7 (Chinese Mig 21 Copy)

I don’t know what’s worse: A MiG-21 or a Chinese COPY of a MiG-21.......................


30 posted on 02/27/2019 7:59:19 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Freeport

India’s Mig-21’s don’t need Pakistani help in falling out of the sky.


31 posted on 02/27/2019 8:11:31 AM PST by Thud
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

Both sides use MiG-21 variants.

Data from Wiki—

The Pakistanis have the below combat aircraft, most of which can be directed toward India:

90 Mirage 5
90 Mirage III
139 Chengdu J-7 (Chinese Mig 21 Copy)
100 JF-17 Thunder
45 F-16 Fighting Falcon

The Indians have the following combat aircraft, but have to watch the Chinese as well:

230 Su-30
69 MiG-29
57 Mirage 2000
139 SEPECAT Jaguar
85 MiG-27
125 MiG-21


make that 124 MiG-21’s


32 posted on 02/27/2019 8:19:36 AM PST by Levy78
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To: Freeport

I’m over 50. Not once in my life have I ever heard a good thing about Pakistan. Not a thing.

Terrible place, full of awful people with vile ideas. It’s chief export is terrorism.


33 posted on 02/27/2019 8:19:56 AM PST by Dagnabitt (MAGA meant amnesty and increased legal immigration ????)
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To: afterhoursarmory

MIG-21 = Fast bomb truck. I’m surprised they didn’t use a long-range missile


34 posted on 02/27/2019 8:22:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: Abathar

We may have been content to know where Bin Laden was and who he was talking to and what he was saying to them.


35 posted on 02/27/2019 8:23:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: Red Badger

Pakistan has few options in a conflict with India. Not only does Delhi have conventional superiority, it also has a much better logistics base. It’s been reported that Islamabad has only enough “beans and bullets” for a week of full-scale conflict at the conventional level. After that, Pakistan has the choice of losing a conventional war, or escalating into nuclear conflict and losing (but killing millions of Indian civilians in the process, along with millions more of its own citizens).

Did I mention that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is completely controlled by the military? The generals could decide its time to go nuclear and the political leadership might (or might not) have any advance notice.

Meanwhile, civilians on both sides are cheering on reports of losses/casualties among their enemy. It’s like 1914 all over again—with nukes.


36 posted on 02/27/2019 8:35:17 AM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: ExNewsExSpook

We just finished a contract with the Indian AF for some ‘stuff’..............................


37 posted on 02/27/2019 9:21:56 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Red Badger

It’s not India/Pakistan I worry about. It’s a nuclear war that spreads out of the thirds world into civilization.


38 posted on 02/27/2019 9:28:05 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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To: Vaquero

Those nuclear clouds don’t stay put...........................


39 posted on 02/27/2019 9:36:51 AM PST by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Freeport; Fred Nerks

Curry stained fingers are hovering over the red button. A shit storm will be released should nukes be let loose. There may even be a pre-emptive nuclear strike by China, Russia or the USA.

The Muslims will nuke first. That’s just the way they are.


40 posted on 02/27/2019 9:44:37 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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