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Giuliani will travel to Ukraine, saying country's probes may be 'very, very helpful' for Trump
FoxNews.com ^ | May 10, 2019 | Gregg Re | Fox News

Posted on 05/10/2019 9:22:07 AM PDT by ETL

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To: Roccus

Color you stupid.


21 posted on 05/10/2019 11:45:23 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Did youy feel the draft as my post sailed over your head?


22 posted on 05/10/2019 11:58:04 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Roccus


"NTTAWWT."

23 posted on 05/10/2019 11:58:16 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Roccus

Whatever you meant by it, why insert something like that now, when he’s saying he’s going to more deeply investigate Democrat-Russia-Ukraine collusion and corruption? Sorry, but it sounded like a dumb, poorly timed personal attack.


24 posted on 05/10/2019 12:07:31 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

It was a challenge to the FReepers who insist on calling him gay.

I lived in NYC from LaGuardia to Bloomberg and Rudy was by far the best mayor in my lifetime. I’ve been a fan of his back to the ‘89 election

The only “personal attack” was when you called me stupid....but I took it with a smile.

For someone who always has inteligent posts as you do, I found that surprising.


25 posted on 05/10/2019 12:20:00 PM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Roccus
It was a challenge to the FReepers who insist on calling him gay. I lived in NYC from LaGuardia to Bloomberg and Rudy was by far the best mayor in my lifetime.

Sorry, but I don't recall that. But we certainly do have a few really strange folks here. So I totally believe it.

I've lived in NYC all but one of my nearly 62 years. It was incredible how he improved the city. He was a major force in taking down the five Mafia families here.

26 posted on 05/10/2019 12:38:49 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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I'd bet my last dime that the Ukrainian(s) who leaked the info on Manafort were Pro-Russia Ukrainians.

From the same article...

"Ukraine's investigation into interference with the U.S. election commenced after an unearthed audio recording showed that a senior Ukrainian anticorruption official apparently admitted to leaking Manafort's financial information in 2016 -- including his ties to pro-Russian actors in Ukraine -- to benefit Clinton. 

The eventual leak of the so-called "black ledger" files led to Manafort's abrupt departure from the Trump campaign."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-will-travel-to-ukraine-saying-countrys-probes-may-be-very-very-helpful-for-trump

27 posted on 05/10/2019 1:44:44 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL
My next task is to look into this guy, "Thomas J. Barrack Jr" (see below)

Because Manafort may well have been a plant by the Russians, who quite conceivably had their pro-Russia friends in the Ukraine "leak" the news to the press about him (Manafort) having worked for Putin's stooge in the Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych. It's all making a lot of sense now.

Paul Manafort


Chairman of Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign

In February 2016, Manafort approached Donald Trump through a mutual friend, Thomas J. Barrack Jr.

He pointed out his experience advising presidential campaigns in the United States and around the world, described himself as an outsider not connected to the Washington establishment, and offered to work without salary.[49]

In March 2016, he joined Trump’s presidential campaign...”

In August 2016, Manafort’s connections to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his pro-Russian Party of Regions drew national attention in the US, where it was reported that Manafort may have received $12.7 million in off-the-books funds from the Party of Regions.[56]

On August 17, 2016, Donald Trump received his first security briefing.[57]

The same day, August 17, Trump shook up his campaign organization in a way that appeared to minimize Manafort’s role.

It was reported that members of Trump’s family, particularly Jared Kushner who had originally been a strong backer of Manafort, had become uneasy about his Russian connections and suspected that he had not been forthright about them.[58]

Manafort stated in an internal staff memorandum that he would “remain the campaign chairman and chief strategist, providing the big-picture, long-range campaign vision”.[59]

However, two days later, Trump announced his acceptance of Manafort’s resignation from the campaign after Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway took on senior leadership roles within that campaign.[60][61]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort#Chairman_of_Donald_Trump’s_2016_campaign

28 posted on 05/10/2019 1:44:54 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: gaijin; Buckeye McFrog; fruser1; TakebackGOP; DIRTYSECRET; samtheman; freedom1st; thinden; ...
This is a May 12th followup to my earlier posts on this thread...

May 10, 2019

Rudy sees it too!! The still breaking Ukraine scandal centers on Democrats and PRO-RUSSIA people in the Ukraine!! ...NOT the folks being threatened by Russia there, as many if not most media, including conservative talk radio and TV, reporting might have you think or assume.

Check out on my FR Profile page ( http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/ ) the mountain of evidence that I've so far collected from various websites for DEMOCRAT-RUSSIA collusion.

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https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1126858889209831424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fgiuliani-will-travel-to-ukraine-saying-countrys-probes-may-be-very-very-helpful-for-trump

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Giuliani: "The fact is, this was a massive collusion between the Democratic National Committee, officials of the Obama administration, (Hillary) Clinton people, and the Ukrainian officials, corrupt officials — who, by the way, were pro-Russian corrupt officials"

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MAY 11 UPDATE!

Giuliani cancels Ukraine trip, says he’d be ‘walking into a group of people that are enemies of the US’

Charles Creitz | Fox News
May 11, 2019

Rudy Giuliani, President Trump's personal attorney, said Friday on "Fox News @ Night" that he will not be traveling to Ukraine as previously announced.

Giuliani, a former Republican mayor of New York City, said that he believed he would be "walking into a group of people that are enemies of the president, and in some cases, enemies of the United States and in one case, an already convicted person who has been found to be involved in assisting the Democrats with the 2016 investigation.

"There was a great fear that the new [Ukrainian] president would be surrounded by, literally, enemies of the president [of the United States] who were involved in that and people who are involved with other Democratic operatives," he told host Shannon Bream. ..."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-i-am-not-going-to-ukraine-because-id-be-walking-into-a-group-of-people-that-are-enemies-of-the-us

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From CBS News
May 10, 2019...

“In an interview on Fox News’ “The [Laura] Ingraham Angle” Thursday night [May 9, 2019], Giuliani said that as Mr. Trump’s lawyer, he has an obligation to develop “explanations of what his client was charged with.”

“The fact is, this was a massive collusion between the Democratic National Committee, officials of the Obama administration, (Hillary) Clinton people, and the Ukrainian officials, corrupt officials — who, by the way, were pro-Russian corrupt officials — to create false information about Trump..."

“This is — this is real [collusion] — not collusion conspiracy to present false information, and to leak it to the press, and to give it to the FBI,” he claimed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-defends-ukraine-trip-to-help-defend-trump/

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ONCE AGAIN, for those who missed it...

Giuliani: "The fact is, this was a massive collusion between the Democratic National Committee, officials of the Obama administration, (Hillary) Clinton people, and the Ukrainian officials, corrupt officials — who, by the way, were pro-Russian corrupt officials"


29 posted on 05/12/2019 5:35:14 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Great post!


30 posted on 05/12/2019 6:59:11 AM PDT by samtheman (To steal an election, who do you collude with? Russians in Russia or Mexicans in California?)
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To: samtheman

Thanks. Just trying to alert people to the fact that ALL of the evidence points to Russia trying to help Hillary Clinton get elected, something I had no doubt about for a long time, largely after hearing Mike Pence at the Oct 2016 VP debate.

From that point on I had no doubt that a Trump administration would be KGB Putin, and his aggressive, expansionist regime’s worse nightmare. This as opposed to a pathetically weak on defense Obama or Clinton one.

Obama practically dismantled our military, while, at the same time, handing the Russians everything they wanted on missile defense, nukes, including the New Start Treaty and the Iran nuke deal that Putin loved so much. And of course the Uranium-One deal, where Obama-Clinton allowed Russia to take control of 20% or more of our nation’s uranium production!


31 posted on 05/12/2019 7:10:42 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Fake Dossier, Uranium-1 Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

The democrat russian collusion is definitely there and we already have evidence of it. The case against Trump was total crap as was the dossier. The case against democrats is sound.

My opinion is simply that any info we get from investigations outside of the country, especially russian/eastern bloc, is highly suspect and could ruin what would otherwise be a sound investigation.


32 posted on 05/12/2019 7:51:44 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: fruser1
The democrat Russian collusion is definitely there and we already have evidence of it.

Yes, but the relatively recent info on the Ukraine, regarding people there trying to influence our 2016 election, has obviously confused a lot of folks. The media reporting, at least so far, including Fox News' Sean Hannity, (both his TV and radio shows), and others on Fox, Limbaugh and Levin, too, likely leaves many if not most viewers thinking or assuming that it was the ANTI-Russia people there who were attempting to get Hillary elected. Many if not most probably aren't even aware that there are two opposing groups in the Ukraine.

33 posted on 05/12/2019 8:18:16 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! New Updates on Dem-Russia collusion via Ukraine! Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Obama practically dismantled our military, while, at the same time, handing the Russians everything they wanted on missile defense, nukes, including the New Start Treaty and the Iran nuke deal that Putin loved so much. And of course the Uranium-One deal, where Obama-Clinton allowed Russia to take control of 20% or more of our nation’s uranium production!

I am very disappointed that Trump let the whole collusion hoax unfold without pointing out DAILY that the dems have been weak on Russia since the leftist opposition to Nixon, beginning in 1968. Carter, Clinton. Obama... a consistent smear of weakness in terms of policy towards Russia. And their opposition to the stronger policies of Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, was consistently opposed to American strength. (I won’t say anything about Bush II here, since that is complicated by the fact he is so in love with Clintons and Obama.)

But my point is, since at least 1968 the dems have been consistently pro-Russia-appeasement and anti-American-strength. And I’m disappointed Trump didn’t emphasize this regularly since the start of the collusion hoax.


34 posted on 05/12/2019 9:21:04 AM PDT by samtheman (To steal an election, who do you collude with? Russians in Russia or Mexicans in California?)
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