Posted on 07/12/2019 8:50:34 AM PDT by MMaschin
Trumps end goal with the Citizenship question is to reduce the number of Democrats in Congress by removing illegals from Congressional Apportionment.
As things stand illegal aliens currently receive Congressional representation. They are included in the counts of total population that are used for Congressional Apportionment. So states with high numbers of illegal immigrants receive extra seats in Congress at the expense of states with lower numbers of illegal aliens. California alone has an extra 5-6 seats in Congress as a result of illegal immigration. That is the main reason that Democrats push illegal immigration and provide sanctuary cities/states. Illegals do not spread out, they settle in only a few states, over half of all illegals are in 3 states and 70% are in 10. These states have political incentive to having illegals settle in them.
Alabama is currently suing the government to exclude illegals from the counts used for Apportionment. Their main argument is that it violates the Constitutions Equal Protection Clause. States with lots of illegal immigrants receiving extra seats in Congress have districts with lower percentages of voting age population that are Citizens in contrast with states losing seats which have districts with much higher percentages of voting age populations who are Citizens. In a CA district a person may need less than half the votes to be elected a Representative than in a district in a state with low levels of illegal aliens. In essence a voter in CA has greater voting power than a voter in AL.
The suit is Alabama v Commerce. In the Rose Garden announcement yesterday it's the suit that AG Barr mentions neat the end of his statement.
For Alabama to win this suit one of the things they will need to prove is that there is an accurate way for Commerce to provide what they want. The need to show that Commerce can accurately remove illegal immigrants from the Census counts. THAT is the reason that Trump wanted the Citizenship question on the Census and why Democrats were desperate to keep it off. If Commerce can not accurately provide counts without illegal immigrants, then Alabama has no chance to win the suit. That is what is so awesome about what happened yesterday. Trump both 1) gained political capital because he showed he was trying to do exactly what the people wanted and the Democrats were going against them and 2) he will be getting even more accurate numbers to Commerce which will INCREASE the chance that Alabama wins it's lawsuit.
The Democrats were certain they won a huge victory and scuttled the Alabama case, but instead they provided Trump with the means of INCREASING the odds that Alabama wins!
Roberts is the Deep State’s ultimate insurance policy.
“Roberts is the Deep State’s ultimate insurance policy.”
Probably very true. :(
Sorry, I do not see the connection. Even if Commerce confirms there are 60 million or more illegals in the US, it won’t change the census count, which is constitutionally mandated. Trump lost the citizenship question, lost that battle, and threw in the towel. All the Commerce number will do is stir more grievance, but all this is is talk. Getting the courts to rule that apportionment is based on citizens would be an incredible win. But without citizenship question, not meaningful for 10 years.
Interesting read...
Executive Order on Collecting Information about Citizenship Status in Connection with the Decennial Census
Exactly, this was a loss and this BS “will do it another way” is just spin. So we are going to pin our hopes on that back stabbing traitor Roberts? The definition of insanity.
But wasn’t the point of properly counting illegals was so that if the case was won, then the (re)districting could be accurately corrected?
“Roberts is the Deep State’s ultimate insurance policy.”
Ooy. Talk about needing someone to be impeached.
no one has won till the democrats’ case challenging the counting methodology is decided by the USSC next year.
Almighty God (YHVH), please protect USA law by enabling We-The-People to be accurately represented in our republican form of government! Amen
Roberts did NOT come through on redistricting, and it blows my mind that people say he did. He affirmed that states could gerrymander politically, but only after ruling that Republicans couldn’t.
Here’s what I mean:
If Republicans divide Democrats into several districts, Democrats can sue on the basis that black voters lack sufficient strength is any one district to elect blacks to Congress.
But if Republicans create black-majority districts, Democrats can sue on the basis that black voters can’t elect as many Democrats, who are who they usually vote for.
But Democrats can gerrymander as aggressively as possible, with no limits.
I wonder what Epstein has on Roberts?
What should gripe every conservative in this country is what Roberts did.
On the one hand, there is majority agreement that you can ask the question. No dispute there, but to put the little caveat in there that the reason was not articulated properly, is a friggin joke. It was simply thrown in there to appease the left. Roberts knew that would squash the matter, since it would delay re submitting it.
The guy is a gutless wonder, and another example of the mediocrity of the Bush presidency, in fact Trump is the very first president in my lifetime, who actually took some sound advice from conservatives, and made the list of judges.
Now, it’s the standard for all candidates.
“Hey, Joe and Booker and Kamala and the rest? Show us your list of SC judges you prefer.”
The Republicans need to point out that the Democrats champion illegal immigration NOT because they care so much about them, but because they give them more voters.
And, they have NO PROBLEM asking those of us who were born here or who have become legal citizens to pay for the benefits they have so “compassionately” promised to give them.
Interesting question.
This suit is a separate issue altogether. Completely aside from the census. It is about disenfranchisement more than it is about numbers that apply or do not apply.
The citizenship question is implied from Sect 2 of XIV Amendment (enforcement). The language uses the word ‘citizen’ to define 2 classes of voters; one who are denied a ballot, and those allowed to submit a ballot. Now, how does Justice Roberts’ ruling allow enforcement without the question being asked on the Census?
Is this where his decision about invalid laws (rulings) comes into play and he should be ignored?
The idea of the question Are you a citizen of the United States was to scare illegals from doing a census. Thus not counting them. That is the reason we need the question on the Census form.. Just put it on the form and the supreme court will not touch it..
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