Posted on 08/10/2019 3:53:30 PM PDT by windhover
Hold your fire on Trump and don't burn your bridges yet. What we see is what we get and we haven't seen it one way or the other on specific gun measures. So far he has kept every promise he could and those he couldn't were not for lack of trying. He did promise to protect our second amendment rights and has done so up to now. He is a master at leaving our soc./commie enemies holding the bag and I believe he is setting them up for a fall as I write this.
If this is the Trump I know he is preparing the field for battle and should not be hung for what he is saying now to put the Left off balance, but instead carefully evaluate what he does in the near future.
Look at his upcoming proposals for legislation. I believe they will be too much in line with current NRA positions than Democrats are willing to accept, and that will leave them on defense as the obstructionists.
We already know our adversaries want this issue far more than a resolution but up to now have had their way bashing Trump and accusing us of being responsible for all illegal gun violence in America. This will turn the responsibility upside down and land on them when they are forced to turn down a conservative proposal that upholds the Constitution.
By then their sick candidates for president should also be sweating blood to see a tide of public sympathy swing to Trump and away from them.
Could all this play-out for the good? Yes! If not, Trump should disassociate from any further efforts rather than compromise our most fundamental Constitutional rights. This will become clearer in the next few day.
Trump wants to stem the Red-Tide as much as we do,and he will not tank his reelection by violating the second amendment. We need to give him time and then look at what he has done before final judgement.
We owe ourselves this much. Can any one reading remember an election that meant this much? What we say and do now and on election day 2020 will have meaning far beyond our lifetimes. Lets trust the President to reveal his plan and carefully evaluate whether we must not vote on election day 2020 and see an in your face socialist President and congress elected
All the Red Flag Laws in the world, would not have saved Jeffrey Epstein.
I do have a tendency to believe that about PDJT, but not necessarily about the people who work for him.
The DOJ seems to have broken free of the executive branch, becoming a power unto itself, thereby becoming part of the “deep state.”
There are a lot of enemy plants in his inner-circle that is for sure.
My problem with what he has done is, at some point someone needs to change the narrative. Every time one of these happen the Republicans and Democrats fall all over themselves about how they’re going to prevent the next shooting with new gun legislation. The hysteria eventually subsides but each time they’re picking up a percentage of people who believe them. At some point those percentages are gonna tip the scales. Trump should be offering a argument for people to consider.
Hello, bump stocks...
No, he hasn't.
There are TONS of Never Trumpers here and they make the loudest noise. You can see the same clowns on the border wall threads...
Every time I start to freak out, I have to calm down and remember that God is in control. The fact that PDJT has super-human energy confirms this for me. What will happen will happen.
Here’s the problem with Trump, he only threatens to do things. He threatens to have Mexico build a wall. He threatens to declassify all this deep state craps going on. Threatens to lock Hillary up. Threatens to declare ANTIFA a terrorist group, even after we have proof the Dayton shooter was ANTIFA. We are seeing our country being destroyed systematically by the left, and Trump appears to be a willing participant by stepping out of their way. Now with Epstein dead who could have brought the whole DNC down (and don’t doubt for a second he was not murdered) and allowed to get away with it, and fat ass bagpipe Barr just getting so mad....honestly what’s the point anymore. Our country and justice for all is gone.
I don't believe Trump wants to or will give in to the Dems on what they want re gun control. But for the sake of argument let's say he was willing to give them what they want. That means he puts his name on the top line, so to speak, of the Dem's gun control bill.
He takes all the credit and the way he manages to control his own narrative he would absolutely take ALL of the credit.
Does anybody think for a minute that Schmuckey and Nanzi would allow that to happen? To help him make it happen? He would own that issue from that point on and they would lose all leverage for anything further on it.
Trump is it. He’s our last president before a sea of socialist scum is swept into office. Enjoy every day he’s in office because the alternative is going to really suck.
I also realize that there are 22 R senate seats up for grabs in 2020 vs 12 D seats. Three are currently tossups - 2 Rs and 1 D.
If I had to guess, McConnell (RINO-KY) and Trump have talked...Yertle is planning on a vote knowing has has the nay votes but would let tossups vote yea to win their re- election.
We also hope if the legislature sends something to Trump, he KNOWS this would be a "No New Taxes" moment if he signs.
In the end, they delay until some other thing occupies the news cycle, and either the Senate votes it down, or it Trump vetos it.
Or we get some incredibly watered down gun legislation - like an "assault weapons ban" on 12 scary guns (that are grandfathered and where ample substitutes exist) but it's attached to full border wall funding and deportation. Trump signs it, beats Harris/Spartacus in the Electoral College AND popular vote, and we get 2 more conservatives on SCOTUS.
Yes, it sucks. But you can't always get what you want. Politics is ugly.
Yes he did. He said, “The second amendmant is safe.”
rule of law and equal justice under the law. F
Building new sections of the wall F+
“He did promise to protect our second amendment rights and has done so up to now.”
Ahem. Bumpstocks. He also openly encouraged several states to pass red flag laws, several of which did.
More gun control has happened under Trump in 2 years than happened under Obama in 8.
He has already broken his 2A promise and has earned suspicion in lieu of benefit of the doubt. He said he supported a bumpstock ban and red flag laws, all of which happened.
If he says he supports federal funding for state red flag laws and ending private sales / universal background checks, I believe him. Trump is not given to lying, after all.
He can do one of the following. He can support red flag and/or UBC, or he can be re-elected. He will not have both.
That means he's only threatening more onerous background checks, right?
“He did promise to protect our second amendment rights and has done so up to now.”
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While I realize he couldn’t easily fulfill the ‘promise’ of one concealed carry permit good in ALL states, the question is
How come I realize that and he and his gazillion researchers didn’t/don’t?
Bump stock were just a gambit to push the anti gun agenda. I think some of these mass shootings are being done by the deep state themselves. There are very dangerous and traitorous people in the deep state who are eager to take away our guns.
I’ve been thinking about why he would say this. I wonder if asylums have something to do with it. Remember the Dems closed all the insane asylums decades ago and called them inhumane.
Now we have these people who should be incarcerated out on the streets, homeless, dangerous and a definite threat to any community.
Does PDJT want to re-open asylums? He keeps saying, “Something needs to be done.” Is this the method to his madness?
Given the polarizations involved, how would one go about accomplishing this? Seems to me he would first talk about “Red Flag Laws.”
The 2AS would go nuts which is predictable. I did too when I first heard it. If this starts people thinking, they will agree that ‘something’ needs to be done. Could that something be to open asylums so the public is safe?
Just thoughts. None of us knows what the plot on this particular item is. Bears watching. I do not believe he is a gun grabber. He never has been.
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