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Man lost his house over $8.41 in unpaid property taxes
MSN / CBS News ^ | 11-8-19 | Khristopher J. Brooks

Posted on 11/08/2019 5:53:39 PM PST by Tired of Taxes

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To: blueplum
But there auta be a law that delinquent prop taxes can only be collected a) upon sale to another party as part of escrow, or b) from the estate of the deceased. And then we wouldn’t have this problem that shouldn’t be a problem.

That used to be the law in a lot of states, but they realized that their cash flow was unpredictable due to intractable peasants.

So they conned the peasants into a "3-4 years and we sell OUR property [not your property] for back taxes". And our elders fell for the jive.

61 posted on 11/08/2019 8:26:04 PM PST by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: Beagle8U; goldstategop
Can you imagine the kind of sh*theels that work in Michigan county government that would look at that and not kick in the 8 bucks to cover for the guy?

I'd look at his file, cover it for him, and send him a letter telling him about the solid I did for him.

But that's just me, and I guess guys like me don't work for government.

62 posted on 11/08/2019 8:30:21 PM PST by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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To: kiryandil

Yeah, but all they really had to do is tell him that he figured wrong and owed a couple bucks more. Those slime balls couldn’t even do that, just steal it!


63 posted on 11/08/2019 8:37:19 PM PST by Beagle8U (It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

80% of the $8.41 goes to dirtbag teachers as pension, while the old man is homeless.

It is happening across America.


64 posted on 11/08/2019 8:43:47 PM PST by TheNext (Generation FReeper)
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To: TheNext

might be some truth behind the negative stories about tax collectors in the Bible


65 posted on 11/08/2019 9:17:32 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Rafaeli bought the suburban Detroit house in 2011 for $60,000 and, after the purchase, he underpaid his property tax balance that year, court documents state. Two years later, he tried to pay back the 2011 balance including additional fees. However, he miscalculated the interest that had accrued and his payment was short $8.41.

The 83-year-old went on to pay taxes for 2012, 2013 and part of 2014, but the unpaid $8.41 led the Oakland County Treasurer's Office to foreclose on the house in February 2014 and auction it to a buyer for $24,500. Attorneys representing the county said in court documents that they had mailed pending foreclosure notices to Rafaeli well beforehand.

Paging Carl Drega on the white courtesy phone.

66 posted on 11/08/2019 9:58:29 PM PST by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: 21twelve
But like they say - don't pay your property taxes and see who really owns your house.

So true. They'll also threaten foreclosure over an unpaid sewer bill.

67 posted on 11/08/2019 10:07:14 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: HotHunt

Agreed. Hope this man wins his case.

Imagine spending your golden years fighting people who took your house over $8.41.


68 posted on 11/08/2019 10:22:50 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Wouldn’t the unpaid taxes for 2011 be added to 2012 (also 2013/4)?

I would think so. But, maybe not, if someone wanted your house.

It sounds as if someone was looking for a reason to take his property.

69 posted on 11/08/2019 10:25:03 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, this case is outrageous. Poor guy.

Not only did they take his property, but also they robbed him of his livelihood (the rental payments he received).


70 posted on 11/08/2019 10:30:52 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: miss marmelstein

Most here are siding with the 83yo man whose property was taken because he owed $8.41.


71 posted on 11/08/2019 10:35:49 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: deport

Thanks for posting that link.


72 posted on 11/08/2019 10:37:10 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: blueplum

Just a few posts above, there’s a link to more info.

There, it says that Michigan is one of “a handful of states” where the surplus (off the sale of a foreclosure) is not given to the owner.

It does sound like robbery.


73 posted on 11/08/2019 10:42:52 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: lee martell

It’s been happening for years - seniors losing their homes to overlooked unpaid tax bills, even if they owe only a small amount.

This case over $8.41 is a new low, though.


74 posted on 11/08/2019 10:52:43 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

The lawsuit is claiming the Michigan law is unconstitutional.

Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution states, “private property shall not be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

Apparently this could become a big case. The state and local governments in Michigan stand to lose a combined $2 billion dollars if the courts strike down this law.


75 posted on 11/08/2019 11:18:56 PM PST by david1292
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To: Tax-chick

Not to change the subject, but why is it that while you’re making payments on a home, your taxes are part of the payments, and deposited into an escrow account, and after you pay it off the state expects you to make large lump sum payments?

Here in Illinois, it’s also possible for seniors to get exemptions from property taxes (albeit on a year to year basis).


76 posted on 11/09/2019 1:07:15 AM PST by Nabron
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To: Nabron

While you have a mortgage, the bank has an interest in making sure everything, including taxes and insurance premiums, is paid. In a real sense, it’s the bank’s house until you finish paying the mortgage.

Once the payments are done, insurance payments are between the owner and the insurer, while taxes are between the owner and the taxing entity - usually a county, sometimes also a municipality.

One could make arrangements with a bank for an escrow account, if one wanted to gather the amount throughout the year and have it paid through the bank.


77 posted on 11/09/2019 2:48:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Tomado de la mano, yo voy con Cristo a donde El va!)
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To: 11th_VA

????????
Miscalculating interest by an old timer means he’s ignorant?
Kind of take away from the government overreach where it’s more convenient to wrest one’s home from them for less than a $10 debt than to maybe send someone out to ensure he understands....taking property for very minor tax arrears is just legalized theft and immoral to boot.


78 posted on 11/09/2019 4:25:18 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb; 11th_VA

And - since he was paying taxes after the shortage, why did the shortage not get taken care of in the ensuing annual tax bills? I’m more suspicious that it was omitted for the purpose of robbing the guy.


79 posted on 11/09/2019 4:27:28 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: goldstategop
If you get notices, don’t ignore them.

The USPS is totally reliable.


80 posted on 11/09/2019 4:35:07 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.>>>)
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