Posted on 11/23/2019 4:26:37 PM PST by jazusamo
Sorry, but this is 100% bullsh!t.
From what I've read, there are 5-6 people in the White House who actually post Twitter messages as "Donald J. Trump."
Kellyanne Conway or Mick Mulvaney (for example) have no authority to issue orders to the U.S. Secretary of Defense through a stupid Twitter post.
apparently, he’s rightfully caved and will obey any order the pres gives him. (he still needs to go)
Why don’t these idiots do us all a favor and close that place down or WHY DON’T we stop posting their articles? If they don’t get the publicity and the attention, maybe they will just vanish! It has to stop somewhere and it’s sure not going to stop with the liars!
Define an order so that we can all learn from your wisdom.
I remember him
Reporters make up stories day in and dayout. Morning, noon and night 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 364 days a year. Reporters are the biggest liars on the face of the earth.
Trump says "X".
NYT (or some other news) says "anonymous sources say so-in-so is angry over x".
So-in-so denies X publicly.
IF So-in-so was not backstabbing, the NYT would be critical without condemnation.
Trump gets what he wants.
NYT shifts the goal post to complain about something else.
If Spencer and RADM Green threatened to resign after Trump said Gallagher stays, they will get shown the door so hard they will need chiropractors.
In point of fact, Gallagher was found guilty of posing with a dead taliban, so the review board may be required under the UCMJ.
Ya know, orders can be made verbally, with no correct or “right” syntax other than the words “This is an order.”
They can also be made on a typewriter and hand delivered or mailed. They can be sent electronically via email or even by telegraph.
For the Sec Nav or any military brass to ignore an order via Tweet because it is a tweet is ridiculous.
They are willingfully opposing the CinC and for that they should be fired on the spot.
MacArthur was fired because he knew Truman had committed treason. When he performed his surprise attack and didn’t tell anyone, the US and UN were furious. He had been very suspicious in that everything he had tried to do, the enemy seemed to know already. US government was of course telling the UN what was up. The UN secretary general has always been a communist. MacArthur figured this all out which is why he only told a handful of trusted officers his plans. Truman feared MacArthur so much that he went and hid at camp David while the media did it’s magic to sabotage MacArthur.
I don’t think many Americans know the full extent of the corruption and crime in the government. Commie under every bed wasn’t just paranoia.
Without a precedent to establish that a Tweet was a legitimate communications channel, I would not blindly have accepted such an order. The officer in command has a duty to issue his orders in a way that those being ordered can be confident of who is being ordered, who is issuing the order, and sufficient specificity as to what the order entails.
If Trump's pardon, which should have been in writing, fails to specify the scope of the pardon, then Trump is not being served well by his staff.
There is a concept called "chain of command". For example, a low-ranking soldier is expected to bring issues to his direct supervisor. To take issues to a higher level in the command is frowned upon and might be taken as lack of respect.
When I trained in the expectations for performing guard duty we were told a story of a soldier on guard duty who was approached by a Colonel who insisted that the soldier allow him to enter the building being guarded. The soldier followed his explicit orders and delivered a vertical butt stroke which broke the officer's jaw.
For his own protection by virtue of the ban on double jeopardy, the soldier was quickly court-martialed, found not guilty, and was presented with a carton of cigarettes. The order from the Colonel was determined to be an unlawful order.
A similar expectation would exist in the opposite direction. Those high up in command would typically be expected to deliver their orders down the chain of command. Again, Trump's staff should be expected to know these kinds of things and keep Trump from appearing un-military when he is exercising his authority as Commander-in-Chief.
Politically, I have decided that Trump is a verbal magician. Like a magician conducts himself so that you are always looking at the wrong hand, Trump has a way of creating small to medium level controversies that keep his opposition busy responding to irrelevancies.
What is most relevant today is the appointment of judges. Trump is having a generational effect of our courts. If Ginsburg retires, then her replacement is of incredible consequence. Whether Trump understands the protocol of issuing orders relative to a pardoned soldier is of very little importance compared to the makeup of the Supreme Court.
I was NEVER a fan of Truman, and my aunt was a high fallutin lawyer in Washington DC, who knew Truman personally. I don’t know if she liked him or not, but she did know him. I wasn’t a fan of FDR either. I backed MacArthur.
I forgot to mention, Joe McCarthy was right too.
Seems any who have seen the movie say it is one great flick.
Not one for war movies (usually) but were it to come to Roku at some point in the future, will probably be a ‘sport’ and watch.
What’s this I read regarding AG Barr wishing to have the death penalty on federal crimes re-enacted. Any comments?
Would it be a mistake to tie this request with the treason/coup attempt WTP have seen?
I know little about MacArthur. Perhaps you meant to reply to post #49?
In this case, yes, but it might only take minutes to verify it was a lawful order.
Ooops. Sorry.
I didn’t know any of them, and I’m sure MacArthur had his flaws as do we all, but a president openly working with the UN and the opposing side is the very definition of treason.
You know what General MacArthur said to the people of the Philippines, right?
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