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First Red Flag Conviction In Florida After Man Refuses To Give Up His Guns
DailyWire.com ^ | DECEMBER 9TH, 2019 | James Barrett

Posted on 12/10/2019 6:49:23 PM PST by dontreadthis

A man from Deerfield Beach, Florida, faces a potential of five years in prison after being convicted for defying the state’s “red flag” law, which allows authorities to confiscate weapons from those deemed to be at high risk of committing a crime. The case is the first conviction under the state’s relatively new gun law, which was passed in part as a response to the horrific mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

Since the red flag law went into effect in March 2018, Florida has seized guns from over 2,000 residents of the state. But while the state has taken thousands of weapons, it has not convicted anyone for violating the law — until this week. As reported by the Sun Sentinel, after being charged in March 2018 under the law for refusing to hand over his firearms, Jerron Smith, 33, was convicted by a Broward Circuit court this week on charges carrying as many as five years in prison.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; broward; florida; guncontrol; redflag; redflaglaws
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To: old curmudgeon

Exactly, it’s already a crime to shoot up a car.
Use the laws you have, you don’t need new ones.


41 posted on 12/10/2019 7:27:28 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: MileHi

First, supporting him gives us a black eye.

2Nd, going into court with a guy who really deserves a stay in prison makes it harder to win your case, although I am well aware that there are guilty people who are free because of prosecutor misdeeds.

If more than 2,000 Floridians have had guns seized under the red flag law, surely there is one among them who is more deserving of support.


42 posted on 12/10/2019 7:27:43 PM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: A strike

What exactly are you going to take to the Supremes? The fact the guy refused a court order and refused to comply with the search warrant for the guns in his home?

If that’s what you want to hang your hat on, go ahead.

Now if you’re talking about funding the challenge to someone who has a final (temporary, up to a year, renewable) order that confiscates their firearms, that’s something I can get behind.

Idiot above was as sensible about handling the police as he was about shooting up his friend’s car. This ain’t going anywhere on appeal other than the guy going to jail.


43 posted on 12/10/2019 7:32:09 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Exactly. It’s a typical lefty incremental foot in the door move. Red Flag Law was never required to arrest this guy and confiscate his guns as evidence.


44 posted on 12/10/2019 7:32:13 PM PST by TADSLOS (You know why you can enjoy a day at the Zoo? Because walls work.)
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To: old curmudgeon
" ... accused of shooting at a car ..."
45 posted on 12/10/2019 7:35:01 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: old curmudgeon
If more than 2,000 Floridians have had guns seized under the red flag law, surely there is one among them who is more deserving of support.

There must be.

46 posted on 12/10/2019 7:35:09 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Persevero
The guy was actually convicted. But the fact that they are taking guns away from 5 people a day is concerning.
47 posted on 12/10/2019 7:35:34 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: proust
"Well, Obama said he likes to take the guns early, due process later."

That was President Trump...

"That prompted the president’s now famous complaint about lengthy court proceedings. “Take the guns first, go through due process second,” he recommended."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/03/25/red-flag-laws-allow-temporary-restrictions-access-guns-gain-momentum-across-nation/454395002/ (Towards end of article.)

48 posted on 12/10/2019 7:47:37 PM PST by moovova
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To: elpadre

Unfortunately this is not the guy to do that. Or maybe he is the best case. The 2Amd is absolute. It does not say that apparently erratic persons may be barred from keeping and bearing arms. I am not sure there is any judge in the system that will uphold the 2Amd as it is written.


49 posted on 12/10/2019 7:47:59 PM PST by arthurus (0*)
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To: Persevero

Okay, I read it wrong. He is charged with attempted murder for shooting at his friend over the cell phone. That apparently hasn’t gone to trial yet.

He was supposed to turn in his weapons as a condition of his bail bond. He did not.

So police went after him with the red flag law, which seems a little redundant with the bond conditions. And he was convicted for refusing to turn over his weapons under the red flag law. Seems like he should have been convicted for refusing to turn over his weapons for the bond condition as well.

Confusing.


50 posted on 12/10/2019 7:53:34 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: old curmudgeon

Don’t worry about how you (and certainly not we) look to leftists.


51 posted on 12/10/2019 7:55:46 PM PST by coaster123 (Distrust everyone under sixty.)
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To: Envisioning

if he was arrested in 2018, he likely got a temporary risk protection order following his arrest, when he would have had to surrender his weapons. (maybe a restraining order at the same time?) According to the article below, the temporary order issued starts a 14-day clock, at the end of which is a risk-protection hearing, and if no successful challenge (presumably in the year following the hearing) is mounted, the order becomes permanent after one year.

Sounds like the year was up? And if the guy claims ignorance, he’s probably lying like a rug since he had to have seen a judge and received some sort of paperwork.

No sympathy here for an idiot who would shoot at a vehicle, without caring a wit about what or who else was in his line of fire or ricochet.

https://parrislaw.org/risk-protection-order/


52 posted on 12/10/2019 8:00:08 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: kingu
” What exactly are you going to take to the Supremes ? “

Well, the concept of preemtive denial of Second Amendment rights. I'm not saying there are not grounds in this guy's case, but it seems obvious that the state had ample remedy available. If you want to hang your hat on this as prima facie reason for preemtive gun confiscation, make your case.

53 posted on 12/10/2019 8:01:34 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: A strike

He wasn’t convicted of that. He was convicted of refusing to comply with a court order and a search warrant.

So, what, you want to appeal that the court order was illegal and therefore anything after that should be tossed out?

Again, WHY?

Pick one of the other 2,500 confiscation orders made in Florida. It’d be a great case - you have the denial of a constitutional right via a civil hearing where you have to supply your own lawyer and effectively prove yourself innocent.

But this guy? He’s more than welcome to go rot in jail.


54 posted on 12/10/2019 8:10:44 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dontreadthis

Not much sympathy here. The guy was accused of attempted murder. Since he was arrested for a violent crime, he was already under order to surrender his firearms. I would bet that the reason they convicted for refusing to surrender his firearms under the red flag law instead of violating a court order was that it carried a stiffer sentence.


55 posted on 12/10/2019 8:21:23 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: elpadre

Divorce attorneys have something called “the silver bullet strategy”. Lie about spousal abuse and imply child sexual abuse. It gets him kicked out of the family home, prevents unsupervised visitation with kids, cuts off contact with her, ruins his reputation, and forces the kids into counseling where the children are automatically turned against Dad. This is a TACTIC based on lying about abuse.

Red flag laws would naturally dove tail into this, and there are already anti-gun ex’s and in-laws falsely reporting guys to get his guns taken from him.

And the same people who lie to Child Protective Services and are protected by anonymity laws - including teachers and doctors you complained about - now have another weapon to use against you. This isn’t theoretical, it has already happened.

New Jersey man’s guns seized under red flag law after his rival in a lawsuit filed a petition
https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-jersey-mans-guns-seized-under-red-flag-law-after-his-rival-in-a-lawsuit-filed-a-petition


56 posted on 12/10/2019 8:23:30 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Persevero; A strike; Chickensoup; Secret Agent Man; elpadre; faithhopecharity

Did you read the part where he tried to murder someone? This is hardly a case you appeal at all.


57 posted on 12/10/2019 8:25:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I believe o read no indication of any convictions.


58 posted on 12/10/2019 8:26:24 PM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Blood of Tyrants

No, but if its this obvious we dont need red flag precrime laws to deal with him. Other existing laws are already on the books to deal with violent felons that prevent gun ownership.

They are just trying to use this to validate precrime laws for everyone. and i am sad you don’t realize it.


59 posted on 12/10/2019 8:28:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Reno89519

Why bother with facts? My knee is jerking like crazy when his guns are being confiscated.


60 posted on 12/10/2019 8:29:40 PM PST by entropy12 (You are either for free enterprise or for government price fixing. Can't be for both as convenient.)
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