Posted on 03/16/2020 10:59:25 PM PDT by rintintin
Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.
It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.
Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease.” He can even call out the military to cordon off a US city or state.
State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.
The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health. Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic. He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.
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the hope that it is already widespread and not very serious is not founded on any data.
Because so little testing has been done in US, we don’t have data to support Fauci’s high death-rate claims either.
https://virus.stanford.edu/uda/
Out of Stanford 2.5% Spanish Flu. And you say this corona cold is 60% more deadly? Please... not seeing it. As for more spreadable, in two weeks I’m not seeing exponential spreading. I am seeing something that would normally not even be noticed.
The regular flu this year was just as contagious and was orders of magnitude more deadly. This is a politically induced, MSM media and social media driven mass hysteria panic and nothing else.
As of 3/16/2020, 11PM, there were 182,405 cases with 7,154 deaths. 7154 / 182,405 = 0.039, or 3.9%
This is why I said that the fatality rate is approaching 4%. Because it is.
Tracking website at Johns Hopkins:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
January would have been a great time to seal the borders and end sanctuary cities, then let the democrats deal with the public outcry for opposing these actions.
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In January, the media was busy trying to destroy Pres. Trump via impeachment.
To be an appropriate comparison with the flu and any other outbreak, you should only compare the flu data during its first month of outbreak, not its sum total.
Current data is showing the COV19 will peak in the US in June. After that time you can compare the data between viruses.
H1N1/Swine Flu was kind of a dud....60 million cases...12,469 fatalities (more mild than regular flu). Using current numbers (excluding China & Iran, don’t trust their #’s)...if COVID-19 gets to 60 million cases in the U.S. that would equal 2.1 million fatalities. Of course “current numbers” could be greatly influenced by undetected cases in the U.S. being much higher (the “denominator”)(lack of testing). If hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans have had or currently have COVID-19 and aren’t needing hospitalization or dying then that brings down the “fatality rate” to closer to “regular flu” rates. Also, with the current crack downs it is very unlikely to get to 60 million cases.
Dr Paul is correct insofar that the media and political reactions we’ve seen are far disproportionate that other similar contagions that have come down the pike with little or no fanfare. Two immediate possibilities are 1) the authorities “know” something that is not being disclosed to the general public, or 2) it’s politically convenient to blow it way out of proportion to make Trump look bad and tank the economy. At the very least, something ain’t right.
“I would expect a medical doctor to know a little more about infectious disease.”
Think about what you said. Think it all the way through. Maybe it’s -you- that is wrong.
He’s right about Fouci
Hey honey
I’m so happy to see your head Is screwed on straight
Stuff has gotten weird here
High five.
I was just looking for those figures to reply to exDemMom. Thank you.
re the “flu.” It is a non-reportable disease. Most people self-treat at home and never contact a doctor. Doctors don’t usually test for it they diagnose by symptoms and give patients their recommendations.
That means that the number of cases and number of deaths is based on speculation. That’s why there is a huge spread in the estimation. Maybe 22,000 people died of influenza/complications and maybe it was 55,000. In any given year a new strain of flu can pop up and the numbers can increase dramatically.
My point is that giving an absolute CFR of .1% for the flu is a major guesstimate. It is meaningless to use that figure as a basis of comparison to Covid-19 or anything else.
Consider this, if someone gave you investment information with a guess that was as loose as those figures above for influenza cases and deaths would you feel confident in that investment?
“Italy cases should be alarming but noooooo. “
A giant expat Chinese population of over 100,000 from a Chinese city called “Wuhan”. Direct flights back and forth.
I know. They understand neither exponential functions nor the mechanics of infectious disease transmission.
On the other hand, I worked for several years in the field of disease transmission.
This virus scares me. We are looking at potential numbers like the 1917-1919 pandemic, which also started small.
Appropriately listening to Molly Hatchet’s Stop The Madness
Basically this all comes down to risk.
Some of us are risk-averse, some are risk-tolerant.
Once that risk level gets tweaked by an outside source
things start to happen.
When increased uncertainty slowly enters into the equation
people start to act, and in some cases, irrationally. Irrational behavior
is part of the human condition.
At some point, a lot of us can only stand back and watch it all happen, and let it play out.
Common sense tells us that this will pass and things will go back to “normal.”
But until all the facts are in, this is the new normal.
Ron Paul? *sigh*
Think about what you said. Think it all the way through. Maybe it’s -you- that is wrong.
Considering that I am a PhD type of doctor with actual work experience in this field, I *know* that I'm not wrong about this.
For an ex-Dem... Well, your Nick says that that but your posts are still pretty Dem. Just sayin’
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