Monument Avenue in Richmond is no more.

wrva ^ | 7/2/20 | wrva

[central_va]

Richmond, VA _ The City of Richmond Thursday removed the Maury Statue on Monument Avenue at Belmont, along with two cannons on Monument avenue, one just west of the Arthur Ashe Monument, and the other east of the Jefferson Davis statue.

Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney said the statue and cannons were among eleven the city would be removing in the coming days, following Wednesday's removal of the Stonewall Jackson statue, but it would wait until after the July 4th holiday.

Maury was a confederate navy officer during the Civil War and known as the "Pathfinder of the Seas", which is the name of the monument, the pedestal of which also contains a globe with various figures around it, which will require heavier equipment to remove.

Stoney says the statues will be placed in temporary storage while the city solicits public input on what should be done with them.

[central_va]

There was only two possible outcome of the war and both have the USA "surviving" if you want to use that term.

1. The South wins and North America would consist of four countries right now, Canada, USA, CSA and Mexico.
2. CSA loses, and we still have the USA, Canada and Mexico.

There were no other possble outcomes.

[Meatspace]

“Not sure if a defeated Union would have honored its defeated generals.”

That’s a good question. One that I had not considered.

[central_va]

Your ignorance is showing. Please stop posting. FR has a reputation for intelligent posters with deep knowledge of US history. YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM.

[boycott]

It’s not Trump supporters in that photo. They were democrats.

[Salamander]

You cannot tell them that.

Just try it.

Within seconds, they will drag out that idiotic “the parties [magically] switched and are now reversed” mythology of which they are desperately fond.

In their minds, somehow miraculously and retroactively, all those Klansmen were really Republicans in disguise.

Crazy people, all of them.

[vmpolesov]

Just let him ask his questions and ignore if it bothers you. What he obviously meant is how the winning side allowed statues of the losing side to exist post-reconciliation.

[Steve Van Doorn]

you have that backward

[central_va]

The 19th century Republican Party was THE radical party aligned on the fringes with abolitionists, many who were terrorists. Universally, freeing blacks was a radical idea in all parts of the country. Even Lincoln thought blacks were inferior. Some of what Lincoln said, it's documented, would be perfectly in line with the modern day KKK.

Do I have to prove it, again?

[central_va]

Stupidity does bother me.

[TMN78247]

NOPE. Had our Southern ancestors won their war for INDEPENDENCE, the Unionist generals statues would be in the Northern capitol (I suspect that the USA would have moved their capitol as DC would be within the width of a river from CSA territory.) & Monument Avenue would still be as it was just last week.

Had you actually learned in REAL US history, you would KNOW that not even the most extreme of Dixie’s FIREEATERS, like RUFFIN & STEVENS, wanted to conquer the USA. - The founders of the CSA just wanted THEIR OWN NATION & PEACE w/the USA.

Yours, TMN78247

[mabarker1]

I've got room on the front porch if they need a place to relocate those Cannons,Canni (or whatever is Plural for Cannon)

(I'm Petunia and I approved this message.)

[vmpolesov]

Maybe not, but They had their covetous eyes fixed westward and southward (Mexico) and perpetuation of slavery was written into their constitution.

[TMN78247]

NOPE. Had our Southern ancestors won their war for INDEPENDENCE, the Unionist generals statues would be in the Northern capitol (I suspect that the USA would have moved their capitol as DC would be within the width of a river from CSA territory.) & Monument Avenue would still be as it was just last week.

Had you actually learned in REAL US history, you would KNOW that not even the most extreme of Dixie’s FIREEATERS, like RUFFIN & STEVENS, wanted to conquer the USA. - The founders of the CSA just wanted THEIR OWN NATION & PEACE w/the USA.

Yours, TMN78247

[TMN78247]

NOPE. Had our Southern ancestors won their war for INDEPENDENCE, the Unionist generals statues would be in the Northern capitol (I suspect that the USA would have moved their capitol as DC would be within the width of a river from CSA territory.) & Monument Avenue would still be as it was just last week.

Had you actually learned in REAL US history, you would KNOW that not even the most extreme of Dixie’s FIREEATERS, like RUFFIN & STEVENS, wanted to conquer the USA. - The founders of the CSA just wanted THEIR OWN NATION & PEACE w/the USA.

Yours, TMN78247

[Meatspace]

I do not believe my ancestors were part of the Confederacy and I think we all understand that Davis or even Stephens and the CSA had no desire to govern New York and Boston.

As for the statues, would have each nation (USA and CSA) honored the leaders of one another? For now, does it accomplish anything by removing statues by violence, legislation or executive edict?

As far as I can tell, nothing is accomplished.

[SteveH]

fiction or prophesy?

[Salamander]

Not me...they do.

They’re posting this insane revision everywhere.

Lunatics deluding themselves and everyone else.

[Salamander]

I had a friend in IL that has letters written by Lincoln, since he was their ancestor, that no museum will even look at because of what’s in them.

[Steve Van Doorn]

You might want to qualify that in the post next time.
I'm not liking the revisionist beliefs that is flat out not true. Even those on our side doesn't understand our history very well

[Governor Dinwiddie]

It is shocking. Words can't describe how shocking. Monument Avenue is a beautiful part of Richmond, upscale and gorgeous. It goes beyond the statues; it is destroying art. Monument Avenue is architecturally significant.

The supreme irony is that Monument Avenue is adjacent to the Virginia Museum of History and Culture and the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts!!!