Posted on 12/21/2020 4:15:45 PM PST by george76
Toyota makes a lot of cars, so many that it’s the world’s largest or second-largest auto manufacturer every year.
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So Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda’s comments at the company’s year-end press conference deserve notice and no little amount of respect. He knows more about cars and their economic ecosystem than just about anyone else on the planet.
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“The more EVs we build, the worse carbon dioxide gets… When politicians are out there saying, ‘Let’s get rid of all cars using gasoline,’ do they understand this?”
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failure to count the cost of what politicians are proposing. More EVs will demand more electricity.
Toyoda is getting at two things. One, EVs are not powered by magical unicorn emissions, they are powered by the means we use to generate electricity. In the Japan, the United States, and everywhere else
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Wind is not economically competitive yet, so it’s subsidized by the government. Neither wind nor solar are cheap or reliable enough yet to displace oil and especially natural gas in our grid. The wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine. Oil and natural gas always burn.
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The second issue Toyoda is getting at is that petroleum isn’t just a fuel, it’s the foundation of thousands upon thousands of products we rely on every day. Cars alone have plastic and other petroleum-based parts throughout their systems and interiors. There is as of yet no reliable or economical replacement for the petroleum used to manufacture those parts
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Perhaps two of the world’s leading car experts should be listened to before Tokyo, Washington, or any other capital follows California’s lead and bans gas cars without considering the ripple effects.
(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...
Gavin newscum here in chitholeistan, is pulling dams out to “protect fish.”
Your premise is short sighted and irrational and certainly not useful as far as any public policy is concerned, but of course you knew that in the first place which makes you reply superfluous!!!
I have a solution but it will never work. It is too expensive because it involves laying metal rails on the ground between every destination. It isn’t completely driverless. There would be one guy operating the speed and another in charge of the brake....oh never mind.
We’ll need a great reset.
The rivers in my area had dams removed to bring the areas back to pristine. And to save the fish. So we buy hydro from Canada. A China client. Arent we cute?
Power loss from Electrical Plant to the wheels of your electric vehicle.
1. 60% thermal loss at generation plant/
2. 8% loss in transmission lines/
3. 1% loss charging the battery/
4. 7% loss from the electric motors in the car/
Total loss is 76%. (thus 24% makes it to your wheels)
A modern diesel engine typically gets 30 to 37% efficiency. This is much better than an electric vehicle. The very best of diesels can obtain 43 to 44% efficiency but are not cheap. You will lose about 15% due to drive train losses. Thus we get 36% to the wheels. Much better than an electric vehicle.
Bottom line, if the electricity is generated by fossil fuels more carbon dioxide is created than a good diesel engine will put out.
“Your premise is short sighted and irrational and certainly not useful as far as any public policy is concerned, but of course you knew that in the first place which makes you reply superfluous!!!”
My premise? I was commenting on your premise.
“Total loss is 76%. (thus 24% makes it to your wheels)”
1. Your data is not correct.
2. Your math is not correct.
“Bottom line, if the electricity is generated by fossil fuels more carbon dioxide is created than a good diesel engine will put out.”
You assume 100% of electricity by fossionfuels. 37% of electricity is produced from non-petroleum sources.
“A modern diesel engine typically gets 30 to 37% efficiency. This is much better than an electric vehicle. The very best of diesels can obtain 43 to 44% efficiency but are not cheap. You will lose about 15% due to drive train losses. Thus we get 36% to the wheels. Much better than an electric vehicle.”
Interesting that you don’t account for getting the gas from the refinery to your car.
“You assume 100% of electricity by fossil fuels. 37% of electricity is produced from non-petroleum sources.”
The feds are not talking about using fossil fuels for anything. I read an article that described the means of using wind machines for electricity. It figured out that with the separation needed to keep the machines from compromising their own wind currents, to provide the minimum electricity to power the country would take an area bigger, and dedicated, than the land mass of the state of California and about a third of Nevada.
Another thought besides home heating and cooling, is auto power. I live in Washington State and the company that builds a majority of the charging stations, Enel X, predicts at least 2 million charging stations will be needed for Washington State to be fully electric by 2045, about 1,600,000 home chargers and 500,000 commercial and public charging stations. There were 42,542 plug-in electric cars driving around Washington at the start of 2019, according to DOL, nearing a state goal of 50,000 by 2020. A legislative staff chart estimated that the vehicle fees would reap $9.9 million a year from roughly 130,000 registered hybrids.
Now is it in the best interest for the state to allow 1.6M chargers to be sold to the public? Don’t bet the farm.
wy69
Washington is 60% non-fossil.
Is sad to witness the time when facts mean nothing ...
Burning gasoline and converting it to battery power is extremely inefficient. It is actually more efficient just to burn it in the internal combustion engine even though the internal combustion engine is not considered all that efficient.
(If it doesn’t work, it’ll be because of the inherently racist context in which the wires were manufactured.)
In this regards, recycling might actually help? It would be economically feasible in this case.
+1
Good point.
And reflect for a moment on all the rewiring that would entail AND the implications in terms of fuses/breakers, capacitors, everything. They truly do not understand reality.
Still, the article is refreshing - speaking truth to greenie idiots.
Those are carbon based life forms. Think carbon taxes...$$$
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