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Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan
Asia Times ^

Posted on 03/20/2023 4:14:42 AM PDT by FarCenter

A gloomy assessment of Ukraine’s prospects for victory against Russia emerged from a recent private gathering of former top US soldiers, intelligence officials and scholars with resumes reaching from the Reagan to the Trump administrations.

Short of trained personnel and ammunition, one speaker argued, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky might consider a Chinese peace plan, especially after Beijing’s successful mediation of the Iran-Saudi dispute.

The several dozen attendees, many of whom had held cabinet or sub-cabinet positions, met under Chatham House rules, which forbid identification of individual participants but allow the content itself to be presented.

Overwhelmingly, the sentiment of participants leaned towards escalation in the form of providing additional weapons to Ukraine. One prominent analyst proposed the formation of a “foreign legion” of fighters from other countries to supplement Ukraine’s shrinking pool of trained manpower.

The great majority of participants favored risking everything for absolute victory over Russia. None of the attendees mentioned the qualms that former president Donald Trump voiced on May 17 about the risk of nuclear escalation in Ukraine.

The question of how the Russia-Ukraine war might escalate into a broader conflict received no attention. Their frustration, rather, was that Ukraine seems less likely to defeat Russia, even if the West makes the maximum effort and risks escalation.

We should not be surprised, one of the lead presenters said at the end of the conclave, if Ukraine’s President Zelensky takes up China’s peace plan. No one in the West anticipated that China would mediate between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Although Washington has dismissed China’s peace plan for Ukraine, Zelensky has not. Russia would keep the Sea of Azov and most of the Donbas, a settlement that might be forced on Ukraine as it runs out of manpower and ammunition. America’s view of China is “primitive,” the expert added, and tends to underestimate Chinese sophistication.

A spokesman for the National Security Council dismissed the Chinese initiative, which calls for an immediate ceasefire, noting that a ceasefire would allow Russia to remain in place on territory it seized from Ukraine.

Ukraine has sustained two-thirds as many casualties as Russia, but with a third to a quarter of Russia’s population, is far less able to sustain them, according to one expert who spent many months on the ground in Ukraine.

The entire army that NATO trained between 2014 and 2022 in preparation for a Russian attack is dead, and recruits are being thrown into battle lines with three weeks of training.


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1 posted on 03/20/2023 4:14:42 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

In Biden’s world, we have China negotiating for peace, while the USA provides unlimited arms to keep the war going.

Something is not right here.


2 posted on 03/20/2023 4:20:36 AM PDT by allwrong57
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To: FarCenter

IBTAN


3 posted on 03/20/2023 4:23:43 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: FarCenter
The entire army that NATO trained between 2014 and 2022 in preparation for a Russian attack is dead, and recruits are being thrown into battle lines with three weeks of training.

It's over.

NATO tried to breathe life into the carcass, but they are a hollow army led by woke politicians.

Celebrate, dance and sing, the end is here.

4 posted on 03/20/2023 4:25:05 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: allwrong57
In Biden’s world, we have China negotiating for peace

You are surprised China believes imperial wars for territorial expansion should be rewarded with captured territory?

5 posted on 03/20/2023 4:25:41 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: kiryandil
Ukraine has sustained two-thirds as many casualties as Russia

or put another way, Russia has 1.5X as many casualties as Ukraine, or 50% more

and this admission from a Chinese Commie rag, too


6 posted on 03/20/2023 4:27:33 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: FarCenter
with resumes reaching from the Reagan


7 posted on 03/20/2023 4:27:41 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: All

Hopefully it works so this war can finally end and we stop wasting money we don’t have.


8 posted on 03/20/2023 4:28:24 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Do they teach adult learners like you arithmetic in Canada?


9 posted on 03/20/2023 4:33:48 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: FarCenter

Yeah, NATO will pivot and sign a peace treaty as quickly as possible to prevent this. The Russians are spilling out around Bakhmut to the north and south and there is no spring offensive coming for the Ukrainians.


10 posted on 03/20/2023 4:45:28 AM PDT by struggle
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LOL!

Chrystia's pest believes everything it reads in the newspaper, (after she swats him with it)...

11 posted on 03/20/2023 4:47:25 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: FarCenter

This article goes against everything the United States military industrial complex stands for!

...and the resulting profits!


12 posted on 03/20/2023 4:49:14 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: kiryandil

I read it right here, buddy ... 2nd-last line in this article

open your eyes


13 posted on 03/20/2023 4:49:26 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: allwrong57

“In Biden’s world, we have China negotiating for peace, while the USA provides unlimited arms to keep the war going.”

“Something is not right here.”

It looks like business as usual to me.


14 posted on 03/20/2023 4:51:22 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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I read it right here, buddy ... 2nd-last line in this article

As I said - you believe everything you read in the papers.

What a dolt.

15 posted on 03/20/2023 4:52:33 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: canuck_conservative
or put another way, Russia has 1.5X as many casualties as Ukraine, or 50% more...

Or, put in even one more way, your agreeing with Linda to "fight Russia til the last Ukrainian".

16 posted on 03/20/2023 4:54:12 AM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: FarCenter
Xi the Pooh could offer to divert his Belt and Road through Uke territory. Give them a direct route to all that ChiJunk manufacturing, and the chinese get direct access to all that grain.

America’s view of China is “primitive,” the expert added, and tends to underestimate Chinese sophistication.

The Chicoms are like fascist Ferengi. They will cut a deal wherever they can't employ direct force. And once the road is built, employ force to ensure their deal.

17 posted on 03/20/2023 4:57:07 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: FarCenter

More Russian propaganda - Ukraine people will never accept anything less than total Russian withdrawal from all of Ukraine including Crimea.

Any government official that accepts anything less will be considered a traitor and collaborator and be hung, and they know it.


18 posted on 03/20/2023 4:59:19 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: kiryandil

“...read it right here, buddy ... 2nd-last line in this article
As I said - you believe everything you read in the papers.”

Let’s not forget Canada’s trade continued unabated with the North Vietnamese throughout the conflict there.

Marxists to the north of me, cartels to the south, here I am; stuck in the middle with you. (Shamlessly nicked from Steelers Wheel)


19 posted on 03/20/2023 5:00:23 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: FarCenter

Fear not. Read Revelation and know how it will all end. 🙏


20 posted on 03/20/2023 5:08:15 AM PDT by FES0844
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