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Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan
Asia Times ^

Posted on 03/20/2023 4:14:42 AM PDT by FarCenter

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To: FarCenter

Put Super Walmart Centers in the Ukraine and Russia.


21 posted on 03/20/2023 5:13:14 AM PDT by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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To: Leep

Russia is withering on the vine precisely because Walmart and other Western companies have left.

Walmart has said to Putin........ No soup for you


22 posted on 03/20/2023 5:15:52 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: Clutch Martin

I gotta come to Canada’s defense on that one. Surely their approach would be something like this: “You haven’t even declared war against North Vietnam. Why should we treat them like adversaries?”


23 posted on 03/20/2023 5:25:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: FarCenter

The US & the West has lied to Russia so often that Russia would be foolish to leave any portion of Ukraine unconquered.


24 posted on 03/20/2023 5:27:42 AM PDT by Tacticalman
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To: FarCenter

RT @RT_com Russia state-affiliated media

Ukraine ceasefire ‘unacceptable’ – White House

Bringing the ongoing hostilities to a halt would only ‘ratify’ Russia’s ‘conquest’ of Ukrainian lands, says John Kirby

5:30 AM · Mar 20, 2023


25 posted on 03/20/2023 5:31:11 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Tacticalman
The US & the West has lied to Russia

Sure, feel free to point out which treaties the US & the West has broken with Russia.

26 posted on 03/20/2023 5:41:02 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: kiryandil; JonPreston

While numerous other options were possible before the SMO started and even early into the SMO, given the statements from the Neocons and their European Puppets over the past year, it’s clear to me (and many others) that the Russians have only two ways to end this war (short of WW3), which are the following:

1: Total liberation of Ukraine from Western Colonialists followed by Russian occupation, with possible full incorporation by Russia.
2: Ukraine (or what remains of it) is effectively occupied by a third party, trusted by them and Russia.

The first option is what seemed to many to be the only choice for Russia, as it is the only sure way to prevent what remains of Ukraine from being armed to the teeth by NATO.

The second option is new and China might be willing to provide the manpower to make sure NATO doesn’t get cute again with Ukraine. It would certainly be FUN to see how the Neocons deal with that!


27 posted on 03/20/2023 5:41:38 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Tacticalman

The Russian problem is that it is quickly withering on the vine and lacks the wherewithal to conquer a few city blocks in Bakhmut

Vladimer Putin is now a war criminal who has committed crimes against humanity. He is unable to leave Russia because he will be arrested.


28 posted on 03/20/2023 5:42:14 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: FarCenter
The entire army that NATO trained between 2014 and 2022 in preparation for a Russian attack is dead, and recruits are being thrown into battle lines with three weeks of training.

NATO sux!

29 posted on 03/20/2023 5:46:08 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust!)
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To: canuck_conservative
Ukraine has sustained two-thirds as many casualties as Russia, but with a third to a quarter of Russia’s population.

Yes, Russia is sustaining 33% more casualities than Ukraine. However, Russia's conscript pool is 66 to 75 percent larger than Ukraine's.

Absent NATO or other outside forces in meaningful numbers fighting for Ukraine, the numbers indicate that Russia will ultimately win their war of attrition.

30 posted on 03/20/2023 5:54:47 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: BobL
The second option is new and China might be willing to provide the manpower to make sure NATO doesn’t get cute again with Ukraine. It would certainly be FUN to see how the Neocons deal with that!

The brain spatter would be epic.

31 posted on 03/20/2023 5:57:01 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: JesusIsLord
it's not 33% more, it's 50% (1 divided by 2/3 = 1.5)

Russia's conscript pool is 66 to 75 percent larger than Ukraine's

sure, on paper ... but on paper, the Mets should have won the World Series last year

and Russia hasn't had to draw from their pampered Europeans yet .. . when that happens, there will be a big drop in support for the war


32 posted on 03/20/2023 5:59:46 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: allwrong57
In Biden’s world, we have China negotiating for peace, while the USA provides unlimited arms to keep the war going. Something is not right here.

Biden is not right, in the head.

33 posted on 03/20/2023 6:04:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: FarCenter

“No one in the West anticipated that China would mediate between Saudi Arabia and Iran.”

That is scary.


34 posted on 03/20/2023 6:07:33 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Hoes mad! LOL! )
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To: Alberta's Child; Clutch Martin

Up to 40,000 Canadian men did come south to join the American army with hopes of fighting in Vietnam.


35 posted on 03/20/2023 6:17:31 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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36 posted on 03/20/2023 7:02:55 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: bert

Yeah sure… and what nation do you think has the balls to Kidman and lock up the Russian president when he travels? That won’t end at all like you think. They ain’t Serbia.


37 posted on 03/20/2023 7:11:43 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: JonPreston

They pretty much took the trained portion of the Russian Army with them. But, with so much less population, they will lose the war of attrition. Russia will just throw waves of bodies at them as the Soviets did in World War II.


38 posted on 03/20/2023 7:13:48 AM PDT by Ingtar
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To: canuck_conservative

So? What is your point?


39 posted on 03/20/2023 7:33:47 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: BobL

Strong points Bob. This NATO driven war was inevitable since, at least, 2014. John Mearsheimer in one of his lectures mentioned that Russia might pause at the Dnieper after liberating the East. If sanity doesn’t grab the West, a total liberation of Ukraine is then an option. Russia views this as an existential threat to their nation and will fight to the end. I think this all gets worse before it gets better, thanks to the lunatics in Washington and London.


40 posted on 03/20/2023 7:35:59 AM PDT by JonPreston
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