In how many years? 20? 30?
Posted on 09/04/2023 11:20:39 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Only 20%?
I love the smell of V8 horsepower in the morning.
“It’s only going to get far worse...as people figure out that there will be virtually no used EV market.”
From what I understand, the used EV market is pretty much non-existent now. I’m guessing that if you buy one of these pieces of crap, you may be stuck with it for a long time. The wrecking yards won’t take them. Imagine buying one of these high dollar pieces of junk and having to pay someone to take it off your hands when you are done with it?
Ditto here on the mower, Chain Saw, weed whacker and other hand tools.. Kobalt. Love love LOVE the mower. Self propelled.
I don’t drive an electric car, and have not owned one. But I have some experience with an electric bike, already having put approximately 1,500 miles on mine. Based on that, my suspicion is, that once people start driving Electric Vehicles, they realize the inescapable reality:
You must think about your battery level all the time.
If you don’t start thinking of it immediately, once you make a mistake and run your battery down, you sure think about it constantly after that. Every time you turn it on.
For commuters who drive 30-40 miles a day, and the EV is the second car in the family, I believe it is a do-able thing. But pretty much everyone else must work things out in advance.
You must think about your battery level all the time.
And it isn’t an easy calculation. You have to do worst-case calculation, and even then, you might not be able to make a reasonable estimate. Very few people can mentally calculate load, temperature, terrain or any host of other factors. Sure, the cars provide estimates of current range when you turn the vehicle on. But as soon as you put the car into drive and step on the accelerator, all those things change. Your 68 miles of projected remaining range when you turn it on goes down to something less like 50 miles immediately. Why? Could be any number of things.
You cannot forget about it.
You cannot ignore it.
You cannot procrastinate on it.
You cannot fail to plan for it.
If one does any of these things, you are going to end up stranded somewhere, likely with a tow charge involved.
And even if you do plan for it, it is full of uncertainty. And delay.
If you travel, you have to know where all the charging stations might be along any route you take. But you have little idea of the status of those stations. You might consult some website or map that says there is a charger at a given place.
You might show up, and the charge site is nonfunctional due to vandalism, poor maintenance, or some mishap.
Or, you get there, and there is a car parked there, charging. You have no idea where the driver might be, when they are coming back, or if they are coming back. They might be parked there overnight, for all you know.
And this discounts completely the time it takes to charge a car. Sure, the top level ones like Tesla, if you use their special setup, can charge your car in 15-30 min. Otherwise, if you run out and some kind soul lets you use an outlet on their house...it is going to take a while.
And the thing is-it is my opinion that many people are simply not suited to this type of management. Some are, but many are not. And it diminishes the enjoyment.
ICE vehicles are not absent of this, as anyone who has ever lived through a gas shortage knows. But in those situations, you can get a gas can and some gas, and drive another 30 miles, hoping to find another gasoline source.
Pretty much, that's all it's good for.
In how many years? 20? 30?
Understood, but I refused to support any segment of the EV industry.
POI; how long do mower EV batteries last before replacement ? (not recharging)
Administrative State arrogance knows no bounds.
Because the Second Law of Thermodynamics reigns supreme.
Exactly. But the mass of people just can’t believe their government would turn against them, despite the overwhelming evidence in front of their collective noses.
I’m thinking the real number is considerably greater.
This is the best scenario for EV adopters. An ICE vehicle and an EV. You want to go long, use the ICE. For daily commuting near the home, use the EV. Works well for home owners, not so much for apartment or condo dwellers without a garage.
“If you have a family, an EV is good as a commuter vehicle. But it’s useless as your primary vehicle.”
That is what I was thinking. They are probably ok for short trips in your neighborhood. But as your primary vehicle, no way.
But you still never escape the eventual battery replacement costs so any savings are spent for a new battery, or lost during resale.
I've yet to see a win, anywhere.
“Why Are 20% Of Early EV Adopters Now Defecting to Internal Combustion?””
Why Are 80% Of Early EV Adopters NOT Defecting to Internal Combustion?”
“I love the smell of V8 horsepower in the morning.”
What do you drive?
Ref: Lithium ion battery degradation: what you need to know
So, here's the "rest of the story" on your chart...
“POI; how long do mower EV batteries last before replacement ? (not recharging)”
Good question. I have no idea. The damn batteries in my snowblower are VERY expensive, too, and it takes two of them. I’m doing less than ten discharge/recharge cycles per year. I hope long periods of no use does not negatively affect them.
<>Probably because the buyers realize that a battery change-out is coming up soon to the tune of $10,000. Dump it before you have to make that investment.<>
This is reminiscent of the 1950s US auto strategy of planned obsolescence.
Deliberately ensure that the current version of the auto will wear out or become financially unfixable within a known time period.
As long as new ICE vehicles are banned/not manufactured, this guarantees that consumers will seek EV replacements in the future, thus bolstering demand.
How slick.
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