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Trump says Ukraine could have avoided conflict
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Posted on 09/18/2023 12:00:17 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook

Ukraine could have avoided hundreds of thousands of deaths and lost less land if it had reached a peace deal with Russia before the conflict began last February, former US President Donald Trump told NBC News in an interview aired on Sunday.

The loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia is “something that could have been negotiated,” Trump told NBC host Kristen Welker, adding that “a lot of people expected” Kiev to abandon its claims to “Crimea and other parts of the country” in exchange for peace.

“So they could have made a deal where there’s less territory [lost] than Russia has already taken,” Trump continued. “They could have made a deal where nobody was killed…they would have had a Ukrainian country. Now nobody even knows if Ukraine is going to be totally taken over.”

By “other parts of the country,” Trump was likely referring to the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, whose sovereignty Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized three days before Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began. Following referendums last September, both regions have now joined the Russian Federation, along with the formerly Ukrainian territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye. Crimea voted to rejoin Russia in 2014.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: angryneoconsbelow; angryputinfannyboys; appeasementwontwork; dreamer; fakenews; naive; neoconsvotedbiden; notourproblem; notourwar; outofcontext; rossiyasegodnya; russiatoday
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To: canuck_conservative

—> and there would be no permanent peace, we all know that Russia will just be attacking again in a few years ...

There hasn’t been permanent peace in Europe in recorded history, so…

—> duh

I read the Simpson’s was modeled after Canadians. Evidence.


21 posted on 09/18/2023 12:15:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: Allegra
"All of those shattered lives and destroyed infrastructure never had to happen."

But then all those politicians, their family members, big donors, etc., wouldn't have been able to make money off the military industrial complex, nor be able to launder any of their ill-gotten gains, if it hadn't happened.

22 posted on 09/18/2023 12:15:34 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: canuck_conservative

Putin doesn’t recognize Ukraine’s right to be an independent country. Any agreement on the lines that Trump suggests would have been temporary. Back when Ukraine gave up its nukes, Russia promised to respect the independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine (which included Crimea). Crimea and the occupied oblasts in eastern Ukraine all voted for Ukraine’s independence when Ukraine left the Soviet Union.


23 posted on 09/18/2023 12:15:36 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: silverleaf

sure, just like Czechoslovakia 1938

“just give me the Sudetenland, this is my last territorial demand”

... and we saw how that worked out ...

appeasement of monsters doesn’t work ... why is that so hard to understand??


24 posted on 09/18/2023 12:16:34 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“And ukraine would’ve been better off if they had avoided it.”

************

If it morphs into a direct conflict between two nuclear powers, which is certainly a possibility, we may all regret that Ukraine didn’t act to avoid it. Nobody on earth really knows what this could lead to.


25 posted on 09/18/2023 12:17:15 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
There hasn’t been permanent peace in Europe in recorded history

there was until Russia illegally invaded in Feb. 2022


26 posted on 09/18/2023 12:18:08 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Verginius Rufus

“Back when Ukraine gave up its nukes”

Ukraine never had control over nukes, end of discussion


27 posted on 09/18/2023 12:18:32 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time; canuck_conservative

“Who are you going to vote for in the coming elections?”

Obviously Trudeau, sounds just like him. Right in Zelensky’s pocket...


28 posted on 09/18/2023 12:19:22 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: canuck_conservative

” there was until Russia illegally invaded in Feb. 2022”

I guess you forgot NATO invading the kosovo region in the 90’s


29 posted on 09/18/2023 12:19:43 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: 1Old Pro
"Yep, should have at least tried to have a peaceful negotiation."

They wouldn't have been able to get billions of dollars from this country that they didn't have to be accountable for, if they'd done that.

30 posted on 09/18/2023 12:20:21 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: silverleaf

Excellent post. And yes, the NATO issue was certainly a redline for Russia.


31 posted on 09/18/2023 12:20:28 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

All of our brilliant Ivy-league and military think-tank strategic thinkers should have seen very clearly where this was leading in 2013, especially since they encouraged it.

Ukraine never had to give up land, not even Crimea. It could have been kept whole, and focused on developing itself and eliminating corruption.

All they had to do was simply declare, like Austria after WWII, they would be a neutral country.

But since Ukraine was never were a real country, and its “elite” class simply focused on stripping the country and enriching themselves, the place was always going to be corrupt, divided and controlled by others - first by Russians, and then after 2013, by the USA and NATO.


32 posted on 09/18/2023 12:21:00 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Openurmind

I never voted for Trudeau in my life, dumbass

Poilievre, obviously

btw, he’ll support the fight too, because he believes in freedom and liberty too


33 posted on 09/18/2023 12:21:07 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative

Trump is looking at the situation realistically and dispassionately, apart from a concern for life and peace. You seem to see everything concerning Ukraine as the comic book version in which the US, NATO, and Ukraine are heroic angels and the Russians diabolic scum. That’s the version of reality that’s always sold to the public before the murder and mayhem that’s called war is inflicted. You can see better, if you’re willing. Trump, I feel, would have at least tried to prevent this catastrophe that’s being prolonged now from coming to violence.


34 posted on 09/18/2023 12:21:21 PM PDT by Palmetto State Conservative
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

The intelligence community doesn’t overthrow governments so they can “avoid conflict.”


35 posted on 09/18/2023 12:22:15 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: MNDude

Libya is another real winner. I still don’t even know what they did.

We killed thousands, started a power vacuum civil war raging over a decade, and there are slavery auctions there.


36 posted on 09/18/2023 12:22:37 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Starboard
the NATO issue was certainly a redline for Russia

maybe countries wouldn't want to join NATO if Russia wasn't such a warmongering menace with a well-documented history of treating its neighbors like crap?

maybe?


37 posted on 09/18/2023 12:23:09 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

Ah, yes ... trading land for peace. That always works.

How many of y’all think Israel should go that route?


38 posted on 09/18/2023 12:24:58 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Palmetto State Conservative

anyone “looking at the situation realistically and dispassionately” can see that Russia is a proven warmongering menace that cannot be trusted

Reagan understood that ... but a lot here on FR (and Trump, apparently) don’t ...


39 posted on 09/18/2023 12:25:44 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative

—> there was until Russia illegally invaded in Feb. 2022

Good one!

Even you aren’t that foolish!


40 posted on 09/18/2023 12:26:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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