Posted on 09/18/2023 12:00:17 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
—> and there would be no permanent peace, we all know that Russia will just be attacking again in a few years ...
There hasn’t been permanent peace in Europe in recorded history, so…
—> duh
I read the Simpson’s was modeled after Canadians. Evidence.
But then all those politicians, their family members, big donors, etc., wouldn't have been able to make money off the military industrial complex, nor be able to launder any of their ill-gotten gains, if it hadn't happened.
Putin doesn’t recognize Ukraine’s right to be an independent country. Any agreement on the lines that Trump suggests would have been temporary. Back when Ukraine gave up its nukes, Russia promised to respect the independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine (which included Crimea). Crimea and the occupied oblasts in eastern Ukraine all voted for Ukraine’s independence when Ukraine left the Soviet Union.
sure, just like Czechoslovakia 1938
“just give me the Sudetenland, this is my last territorial demand”
... and we saw how that worked out ...
appeasement of monsters doesn’t work ... why is that so hard to understand??
“And ukraine would’ve been better off if they had avoided it.”
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If it morphs into a direct conflict between two nuclear powers, which is certainly a possibility, we may all regret that Ukraine didn’t act to avoid it. Nobody on earth really knows what this could lead to.
“Back when Ukraine gave up its nukes”
Ukraine never had control over nukes, end of discussion
“Who are you going to vote for in the coming elections?”
Obviously Trudeau, sounds just like him. Right in Zelensky’s pocket...
” there was until Russia illegally invaded in Feb. 2022”
I guess you forgot NATO invading the kosovo region in the 90’s
They wouldn't have been able to get billions of dollars from this country that they didn't have to be accountable for, if they'd done that.
Excellent post. And yes, the NATO issue was certainly a redline for Russia.
All of our brilliant Ivy-league and military think-tank strategic thinkers should have seen very clearly where this was leading in 2013, especially since they encouraged it.
Ukraine never had to give up land, not even Crimea. It could have been kept whole, and focused on developing itself and eliminating corruption.
All they had to do was simply declare, like Austria after WWII, they would be a neutral country.
But since Ukraine was never were a real country, and its “elite” class simply focused on stripping the country and enriching themselves, the place was always going to be corrupt, divided and controlled by others - first by Russians, and then after 2013, by the USA and NATO.
I never voted for Trudeau in my life, dumbass
Poilievre, obviously
btw, he’ll support the fight too, because he believes in freedom and liberty too
Trump is looking at the situation realistically and dispassionately, apart from a concern for life and peace. You seem to see everything concerning Ukraine as the comic book version in which the US, NATO, and Ukraine are heroic angels and the Russians diabolic scum. That’s the version of reality that’s always sold to the public before the murder and mayhem that’s called war is inflicted. You can see better, if you’re willing. Trump, I feel, would have at least tried to prevent this catastrophe that’s being prolonged now from coming to violence.
The intelligence community doesn’t overthrow governments so they can “avoid conflict.”
Libya is another real winner. I still don’t even know what they did.
We killed thousands, started a power vacuum civil war raging over a decade, and there are slavery auctions there.
Ah, yes ... trading land for peace. That always works.
How many of y’all think Israel should go that route?
anyone “looking at the situation realistically and dispassionately” can see that Russia is a proven warmongering menace that cannot be trusted
Reagan understood that ... but a lot here on FR (and Trump, apparently) don’t ...
—> there was until Russia illegally invaded in Feb. 2022
Good one!
Even you aren’t that foolish!
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