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The Incandescent Ban and the Lie of LED Efficiency
Foundation for Economic Education. ^ | October 18, 2023 | Peter Jacobsen

Posted on 10/19/2023 4:08:51 PM PDT by george76

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To: reviled downesdad

> Dimming can shorten some incandescents life.

How’s that?


61 posted on 10/19/2023 5:10:58 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: george76

LEDs don’t work very well in my EZ Bake Oven.


62 posted on 10/19/2023 5:15:09 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: blackdog

100 watt incandescent bulb is also great in the chicken coop to keep the hen’s warm and laying throughout the winter.


63 posted on 10/19/2023 5:16:46 PM PDT by reviled downesdad (Some of the lost will never believe the Truth and will hate you for it.)
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To: george76

This article applies to CFLs, not LEDs. The energy saved and the efficiency is incredible compared to incandescents and CFLs. The control circuitry has only improved so the longevity has as well, far beyond that of incandescent and especially CFLs.

I’ve seen those flickering yellow gas light looking LEDs on outside lights. If that can be done, anything can be with LEDs. If you go real cheap, you’re probably not going to like the light that comes from them. But they have been continually improving and are definitely better than incandescents, unless you want to melt snow off of your outside light fixture…


64 posted on 10/19/2023 5:19:19 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: workerbee

“””We have plenty of the “new, efficient” bulbs in our home and have been changing at LEAST one of them every month, for years!
The worst part is, how hard it is to even know which damn bulb to buy! Ugggghhhhh, I’m stopping now before I go Full Old Lady.”””

There is more to that story, are the lights on dimmers? Doesn’t the box tell you which bulb is which?


65 posted on 10/19/2023 5:19:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Blue Highway

Sort of twitches and neurological oddities.
Didn’t really know until my doc tested me for it.
Wasn’t bad but I couldn’t touch tuna salad for six months.
Hated that.


66 posted on 10/19/2023 5:19:21 PM PDT by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FUF.)
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To: mikey_hates_everything

Let me add with all that said, the government should have still stayed the hell out of it and let the market and people make their own decisions.


67 posted on 10/19/2023 5:21:54 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: george76

Total and compete bullshit. Not worth further response to this uninformed writer.


68 posted on 10/19/2023 5:21:59 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: cymbeline

LEDs produce light at discrete frequencies. A white bulb has a red, green and blue LED that is white-looking.
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Some LEDs use an RGB system but most use a phosphor that emits over a broad color spectrum. The typical white LED bulbs you find at the store are the phosphor type, not the RGB type.


69 posted on 10/19/2023 5:25:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: george76

I’ve some led lights in my garage that stay on 24-7 and they’ve been going for about 12 years 3 small ones with multiple leds each I plug into the receptacles with an adaptor


70 posted on 10/19/2023 5:27:52 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: george76

And I’ve a ton of old type bulbs too mostly new but I don’t use them much


71 posted on 10/19/2023 5:28:39 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I love my LED bulbs but consumers should have a choice.

I ordered the last 100 watt bulbs for a toy cookie baker my kid has. Can’t use LED bulbs in that!


72 posted on 10/19/2023 5:28:41 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: NWFree

Mostly unused old type bulbs


73 posted on 10/19/2023 5:29:32 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: ansel12

Notice How I said “can be”. A family member has a pole lamp. The lamp is at chair height. Her hands are arthritic, but she can do some crafts when her hands are warmed by the lamp. Without it she can’t. Bet you never thought of that one.


74 posted on 10/19/2023 5:30:29 PM PDT by Revel
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To: george76

I found some amazing tube type led to replace the fluorescent tubes in the garage and they look better but you have to get the warmer temperature color


75 posted on 10/19/2023 5:32:11 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: old-ager

High voltage with a low current is not good for incandescents. Opposite for leds. Forward voltage is maintained while the driver cuts the pwm to reduce the current.

Incandescents are dimmed with voltage. Not all dimmers are the same.


76 posted on 10/19/2023 5:32:56 PM PDT by reviled downesdad (Some of the lost will never believe the Truth and will hate you for it.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
It's not just the government....what most fail to recognize or understand: GE and Sylvania could no longer effectively compete in the incandescent light bulb field. So, what's a company to do? Get better? Cut costs? Design a better product people want? Maybe get out of that particular market?

Nope! Both companies paid off and bought lobbied congress to pass a law requiring the new lightbulbs and ban the others.

This meant there was higher entry cost for other companies that could not retool and/or enter the LED and squiggle bulb market. Meanwhile GE and Sylvania were able to do such.

When they first did the math, for me to change every bulb in my house to "efficient"lightbulbs, barring majorly significant increases in electricity costs, (at the then cost of incandescent/HE bulbs; it was $0.75 per 4 for incandescents; ~$8 for 4 of the others in my area) it would've take me almost 50 years to realize any supposed savings, if and only if the new bulbs never needed replacing in those 50 years.

77 posted on 10/19/2023 5:34:12 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: george76

I have a chandelier in the dining room. It takes 10 bulbs, and we use incandescent. I bought LED’s because the reviews said they were better and now of course the only ones I could get.

Like John B Welles would say, “they are not meant to be good, they are meant to be bought”. They were so bright, and even the dimmer switch couldn’t make them tolerable. We now have to purchase a new light. You can see the elements at low and high. They literally hurt the eyes.


78 posted on 10/19/2023 5:37:17 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I have a 16’ high cathedral ceiling with a fan/light that uses 4 bulbs. It’s the main light for the room and are on 12 hours a day. I use to have to use a ladder to replace those bulbs every 6 months. I replaced those bulbs with LED bulbs over 10 years ago… they are still working.

I love my LEDs. I’ve replaced every light in my house with LED, including form factor LED replacements for 48” fluorescent tubes ( you have to bypass the ballast). I got a few lemons early on over the years that failed in short order, but since then, I haven’t changed a bulb in 5+ years.


79 posted on 10/19/2023 5:37:37 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: john drake

In WA state, they are going to build a Billion dollar hydrogen plant, and the State says how lucky we are that we can use hydro power to make hydrogen, to put in vehicles, semi trucks, and likely ferry boats. INSANE.


80 posted on 10/19/2023 5:39:15 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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