You addressed your question to another, but I would answer it in part.
Posted on 01/22/2024 8:22:40 AM PST by JonPreston
You addressed your question to another, but I would answer it in part.
Your point?
“It is pretty simple, even the Progs can see it.”
This is what this type of prog has always said. People who believe this left rag do so because they want to believe it. Even the average garden variety lib sees Russia for what it is and now even they oppose them since they like everybody else does not want to go back to the old ways with Russia being the main problem in the world.
And now because the Dems have actually found their manhood and choose to defend this world against its enemies we have to oppose them. If Trump were still President, he would have likely done the same thing as Biden only better. Then, everybody here would of supported him and the Dems would oppose.
Instead of seeing this as an attempt to finally deal with one of the two main causes of war and trouble in the world (the other being Mideast Muslims) we have to pass up the opportunity.
The Russians will capture Avdiivka soon!
Nonsense, Russia is a predatory power bent on expanding its borders at the expense of everyone else. We may of been friendly when Boris Yeltsin was running it but we have never been nor could of been natural allies with someone who has broken so many treaties and acted in an aggressive and predatory way.
If Ukraine is able to tap into its newly discovered natural petroleum resources, it becomes not only a steady supplier of energy for Europe, but also a strong competitor for the Russian gas station. Hmmm…🤔
Much better for Putin to simply take it all from the Ukrainians and keep those natural resources for himself, thus supplementing Russia’s status as a leading petroleum producer for the world, right?
It all makes sense now: Putin covets his neighbor’s stuff, so he uses his military to steal it while blaming it all on nazis and NATO! Say what you will, but that doesn’t sound very noble to me.
Hey, Vlad! Didn’t you know that the love of money is the root of all evil? Seems like you have enough problems at home to solve already, so why add more?
Go back home, Vlad, and take your evil special military operation to steal your neighbor’s stuff back home with you, too.
Yes, clinton and obumber have done so much damage to any chance of getting along with Russia that it will take a long time to overcome it.
How many countries has Russia invaded since 1991?
Might that not have something to with its neighbors looking to NATO?
> The US and Russia should be natural allies. <
Yep. The two greatest threats to Western civilization are the Muslims and China. It would make sense for the US and Russia to be allied against that.
But I doubt if it would ever happen. Because there are shortsighted people in both DC and Moscow. And there are aggressive people in both DC and Moscow.
I can’t think of any. NATO, OTOH, has a hefty track record.
That's like saying England and Ireland "share much common heritage." While true, the two sides tend to view that "common heritage" somewhat differently.
You could argue that the US has a right to control or have a sphere of influence over Great Britain because of our "common heritage." It's a weasel phrase hiding Russian aggression.
During the Kievan states period before the Mongols, the Kievan Rus moved north and brought Orthodoxy with them to the Slavic tribes north of what is now Ukraine. That's about the extent of the "common heritage." The rest is Russian imperialism.
After the Kievan states were destroyed by the Mongols, as the Mongols receded the Lithuanians moved into what is now western Ukraine. Lithuanian nobles converted to Orthodoxy to make themselves more acceptable to the Slavic population. When Lithuania formed a union with Poland, the Poles began to move in. They allied with the Zaporizhian Cossacks to move further east.
The smaller Polish landowners in the east and the Zaporizhian Cossacks started a civil war with the large Polish landowners in the west who were trying to muscle them out of the East. They were led by Bogdan Chmelnitsky, whose father was a minor Polish nobleman who participated in the occupation of the Moscow in 1608. The Zaporizhian Cossacks had their own grievances, chiefly the fact that the western Poles refused to accept them as szlachta: members of the noble class.
When the easterners were losing they made the mistake of asking Moscow for help and then, like others who made the same mistake, could not get rid of the Russians despite several revolts. If I recall correctly, by 1666 the Russians controlled what is now Ukraine east of the Dnipro plus Kiev. The rest they seized from Poland-Lithuania in the 18th century. That extra century of Polish control explains why western Ukraine is so different from the east, although Putin's alchemy has turned millions of Russian speakers into ardent Ukrainians.
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/russians-violating-new-start-arms-treaty/
Then how do you explain their violations of arms treaties. They are the main threat in the world which is why the great number of nations support Ukraine. Why don’t you do a search on google or whatever and see for yourself about their arms treaty violations and then ask yourself why they are doing that?
After any war, and after any war with any outcome, those nations who conclude the war MUST form some sort of diplomatic contact, deal each with the other, and do deals.
I mean "deals" in the sense of Trump's verbiage, open and above board, as opposed to the Biden-Pelosi-Kerry-Romney "deals" in pre-war Ukraine.
As much as some Freepers want to rail against others as if in an open therapy session, there is history which demonstrates again and again that the end of something becomes the beginning of the next thing, be it in politics or technology, and so on.
I posted some photos of FDR and Churchill sitting alongside Stalin as a demonstration of this. Even if Zelensky (who now grumbles in Democrat fashion about Trump possibly winning in the upcoming election) is some sort of new "Churchill" and even if Putin is some sort of new "Stalin," there will come a time....
Herb Stein informs via his simple wit. History informs repeatedly.
Best wishes.
>> How many countries has Russia invaded since 1991?
> I can’t think of any. NATO, OTOH, has a hefty track record.
Russia:
* Georgia
* South Ossetia
* Abkhazia
* Transistria
* Tajikistan
* Czechnya
* Dagestan
* Chechnya (again)
* Georgia (again)
* Ukraine
NATO:
*
No, they are Russia and Muslims. China has not fought a major war in the last 70 years. They want Taiwan but, as far as invading other parts of Asia they have never shown an interest in the past 50 years.
If they really did what would happen to them? Can’t they see what the embargo that the rest of the world is doing to Russia would do to them? Just look at the alliance we have in place against Russia. Do you really not see how that could detract China from following such a rash policy? China is basically a very isolated and cautious country that really does not want to mix it up with others. Even Mao mellowed out towards the end of his years and sought connection with the west so I don’t see China being a problem except for Taiwan.
If their is any plans to become more aggressive, then supporting Ukraine and seeing a win with them would be a powerful incentive not to start something.
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