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1 posted on 01/22/2024 8:22:40 AM PST by JonPreston
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The Rand report lists many techniques and “measures” to provoke and threaten Russia. Some of the steps include:

Repositioning bombers within easy striking range of key Russian strategic targets

Deploying additional tactical nuclear weapons to locations in Europe and Asia

Increasing US and allied naval force posture and presence in Russia’s operating areas (Black Sea)

Holding NATO war exercises on Russia’s borders

Withdrawing from the Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty

These and many other provocations suggested by Rand have, in fact, been implemented. For example, NATO conducted massive war exercises dubbed “Defender 2021” right up Russia’s border. NATO has started “patrolling” the Black Sea and engaging in provocative intrusions into Crimean waters. The US has withdrawn from the INF Treaty.

2 posted on 01/22/2024 8:22:54 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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I thought we want war with Yemen now…
Is Ukraine support still a thing?


4 posted on 01/22/2024 8:27:59 AM PST by EEGator
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“Current Under Secretary for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland,”

This chick has a body count in the millions.

and we’re not talkin’ ‘bout THAT kind of body count, for sure.


5 posted on 01/22/2024 8:31:00 AM PST by Macoozie (Roll MAGA, roll!)
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Total nonsense, A peaceful Russia has nothing to worry about from anyone else and they know it. It is Ukraine and everyone else that has to worry about Russia. Putin himself says and has acted as a thug and predator and that is why we have had to arm and defend against them. This is just exactly the kind of crap that liberals would say during the cold war. I never thought I would see the day when so many freepers would defend Russia.
6 posted on 01/22/2024 8:34:07 AM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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NATO provoked Russia.
Russia overreacted.

There are no good guys here. And now we have Christians slaughtering Christians. It’s a repeat of WW I, just on a smaller scale.


7 posted on 01/22/2024 8:37:54 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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What a bovine excrement of an article.

Did the U.S. provoke Russia into seizing Crimea during Obama's term? Did the U.S. provoke Russia into funding separatists in the Donbas region during the Obama administration?

The main reason why Russia invaded Ukraine has to do with the gas fields in Eastern Ukraine that the Ukrainian government was in the process of developing, with the ultimate goal of selling natural gas to Europe, undercutting Russian gas sales.

Russia seized Crimea over natural gas reserves, and it wants to seize the Eastern third of Ukraine over natural gas reserves.

Natural gas reserves in Ukraine:


8 posted on 01/22/2024 8:39:12 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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Russia did not play along when the HilaryHag lied about collusion and the MSM pumped the story. So, they are the enemy.

Plus, some Ukrainians voted to join Russia — which cannot be allowed as that would decrease Uk’s two national past times: money laundering and sex trafficking.


10 posted on 01/22/2024 8:39:53 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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Why the whole Ukraine "thing" is such a mess....

whois query fo LA Progressive

Domain: laprogressive.com
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registered On: 2008-03-10
Registrant hidden by Domains By Proxy LLC, 2155 E Warner Rd, Tempe, Arizona

"Dick and Sharon edit and publish Hollywood Progressive and the LA Progressive. They also founded and host The Left Coast Forum — an annual convening of progressive activists, scholars, organizers, documentarians, media organizations and others who work to understand and restructure systems of oppression.

In 2008, Dick and Sharon launched the LA Progressive — intentionally bringing to the fore the progressive voice in Los Angeles with a focus on the centrality of race. Their mission was and is to provide a platform for progressive thought, opinion and perspectives on current events.

The LA Progressive openly and unapologetically supports and employs advocacy journalism. We believe the media not only informs the public, but it also works towards engaging citizens and creating public debate. We embrace the idea of civic journalism and reject the idea that objective reporting is even possible. We don’t believe that journalists can be objective spectators of politics and we don’t pretend otherwise."

Source: About Us, LA Progressive

"...named the Democratic Man and Woman of the Year by the Los Angeles County Democratic Party...."

Such as the above bolsters the conclusion that the Ukraine-Russia mess is ultimately about corruption, here, there and everywhere.

"Being a client of a distant foreign power is not in Ukraine’s national best interest." When the "progressives" notice, then the "narrative" is truly teetering wildly.

Expect more "incoming."

11 posted on 01/22/2024 8:39:55 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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12 posted on 01/22/2024 8:41:04 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Good article. Ukraine is a fake nation that belongs in the bosom of Mother Russia.


15 posted on 01/22/2024 8:46:02 AM PST by nwrep
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And just who is Laprogressive:

https://www.laprogressive.com/page/about-us

So many Liberty minded conservatives today are linking arms with the Leftist oriented Progressives.


16 posted on 01/22/2024 8:49:03 AM PST by Wuli
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The Russians will capture Avdiivka soon!


25 posted on 01/22/2024 9:07:54 AM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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How many countries has Russia invaded since 1991?

Might that not have something to with its neighbors looking to NATO?


32 posted on 01/22/2024 9:18:06 AM PST by jdege
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The two countries share much common heritage ...

That's like saying England and Ireland "share much common heritage." While true, the two sides tend to view that "common heritage" somewhat differently.

You could argue that the US has a right to control or have a sphere of influence over Great Britain because of our "common heritage." It's a weasel phrase hiding Russian aggression.

During the Kievan states period before the Mongols, the Kievan Rus moved north and brought Orthodoxy with them to the Slavic tribes north of what is now Ukraine. That's about the extent of the "common heritage." The rest is Russian imperialism.

After the Kievan states were destroyed by the Mongols, as the Mongols receded the Lithuanians moved into what is now western Ukraine. Lithuanian nobles converted to Orthodoxy to make themselves more acceptable to the Slavic population. When Lithuania formed a union with Poland, the Poles began to move in. They allied with the Zaporizhian Cossacks to move further east.

The smaller Polish landowners in the east and the Zaporizhian Cossacks started a civil war with the large Polish landowners in the west who were trying to muscle them out of the East. They were led by Bogdan Chmelnitsky, whose father was a minor Polish nobleman who participated in the occupation of the Moscow in 1608. The Zaporizhian Cossacks had their own grievances, chiefly the fact that the western Poles refused to accept them as szlachta: members of the noble class.

When the easterners were losing they made the mistake of asking Moscow for help and then, like others who made the same mistake, could not get rid of the Russians despite several revolts. If I recall correctly, by 1666 the Russians controlled what is now Ukraine east of the Dnipro plus Kiev. The rest they seized from Poland-Lithuania in the 18th century. That extra century of Polish control explains why western Ukraine is so different from the east, although Putin's alchemy has turned millions of Russian speakers into ardent Ukrainians.

35 posted on 01/22/2024 9:23:06 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Marvelous piece of Moscovian propaganda!

Write it yourself, Jon?


42 posted on 01/22/2024 9:40:09 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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The US “provoked” mad Putain by not re-electing Trump.Putain is a typical Muscovite Neo-Tsar who wants to recover the Russian Empire a la Marx and Engels snd seize Eastwrn Europe.


54 posted on 01/22/2024 10:23:36 AM PST by ZULU (DUMP RONA ROMNEY MCDANIELS!!!)
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Another article about how the West forced Putin to invade Ukraine for some kind of existential threat to Mother Russia, submitted by Ivan pomest’ye svyashchennika.


67 posted on 01/22/2024 11:23:02 AM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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84 posted on 01/22/2024 2:40:00 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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"How U.S. Provoked Russia Over Ukraine"

Evil America, Nazi CIA globohomo bio labs ! Slava Putinescu !!!1


89 posted on 01/22/2024 3:19:49 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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