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Rantz: Democrats try to bankrupt gun shops with ‘insurmountable’ fees
My Northwest ^ | 1/23/24 | Jason Rantz

Posted on 01/23/2024 7:16:02 PM PST by Uncle Miltie

Washington State Democrats are defining the 2024 legislative session as an all-out war on gun rights. They are not only trying to impose licenses on gun ownership and a per-bullet tax. Now, far-left lawmakers are trying to put gun shops out of business with insurmountable, frivolous costs under the lie that it’s about public safety. What they’re asking for is not possible, and that’s the point.

Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) shops are subject to intense regulation, requiring significant investments in security under penalty of loss of license, business-ending financial punishments, and jail time.

HB 2118 would completely upend the high regulations with a new set of rules that gun shops would not be able to meet. Each exterior door or window must include bars or grates, a security screen, or commercial-grade metal doors. And all firearms must be stored in locked fireproof safes or a vault outside of business hours. The dealer must also hold a general liability insurance policy providing at least $1,000,000 of coverage per incident. And it must retain any trace requests from law enforcement for six years.

The digital security system must include motion and sound detectors. Video and audio surveillance must clearly record every business transaction and almost every part of the business. They must operate 24 hours a day, all year long. The recordings must be stored for a minimum of six years. Only the licensed dealer may have access to the video and can only release it under specific circumstances to specified recipients like law enforcement.

All requirements must be in place on January 1, 2025. That gives FFLs less than nine months after the last day the bill may pass during the legislative session. It’s precisely how bill sponsor State Rep. Amy Wallen wanted it.

Concern from gun shop owners

Democrats loaned out public commenters from the anti-gun lobby. Many testified from out of state because that’s where they live. Conversely, local gun shop owners testified against the legislation, noting they already adhere to strict safety protocols.

Heidi Lee is the co-owner of Vancouver-based Sporting Systems. She says her security system and training are why she’s never had a firearm stolen from her shop. It’s got bollards, barred windows and doors treated with glass panes. The store has 24/7 security alarms with motion detectors and glass break sensors. The store even sets an occupancy limit. There’s nothing more she can do to keep it safe. She argued the only thing HB 2118 accomplishes is to put her out of business.

“House Bill 2118 is not financially obtainable for small businesses like mine,” she warned during a January 16 hearing. “All your mom-and-pop shops are slowly closing. The sense of community and safety is being replaced by criminals and drug-induced zombies. But I’ll continue to show up for every hearing. I’m not going anywhere.”

It’s unaffordable

Lee said it would cost at least $700,000 to upgrade their security system to meet the standards in the bill, even though her security system is top-notch. Similarly, Jeremy Ball, owner of Sharpshooting Indoor Range in Spokane, said he was quoted an amount that he could never afford.

“The security system quote that I received for this was at an estimated cost of $282,000. And that does not include the annual backup fees. That’s an insurmountable expense for a family-owned and operated business,” he explained.

Assuming the surveillance video is 1080p at an average of 5Mbps, which is within the typical range for 1080p video to ensure high quality, the system would need 117.1 terabytes for six years of continuous 24/7 video and audio recording — per camera. From just a consumer perspective, without a video surveillance system (including camera installation), this would run at least $300,000 just in external terabyte hard drives.

A problem in search of a solution

Michael Finley with the National Shooting Sports Foundation crunched the numbers, too. Just starting from scratch would be cost-prohibitive for new businesses.

“By our calculations, for six years of video on record at any point of time, for an average 2,000-to-3,000 square foot store, that would require 12 cameras. It would require nearly 4,000 terabytes of space. To put that in perspective for you, the cost over five years, not six years because they don’t calculate that high, would be $3.3 million per store just to comply with this bill. It’s absolutely going to put out every dealer in the state. And that’s not a sensationalistic thing to say.”

This is an expensive solution in search of a problem. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosions (ATF), there were only 16 reports of stolen firearms from gun shops in 2021.

Gun shop owners say they’ll go out of business. That’s the intent

Wade Gaughran owns Wade’s Eastside Gun Shop in Bellevue, one of the largest gun shops in the state. He took issue with the implication that gun shops don’t keep firearms safe and secure. And he noted what this bill is really about.

“The alarm system I have in my shop is the same alarm system that the local billionaires use,” Gaughran explained. “We are on top of our game. This law, there is absolutely no way that we can be in compliance with this and still be in business. The burden on us in time, in manpower and in money will crush us. And I’m a large dealer. I am one of the biggest dealers in the state. The smaller dealers, the guys that operate out of strip malls and smaller shops, they won’t be able to stay in business today if this is kicked in. And so this bill is the FFL killer. And that seems to be the intent. Not to regulate or to help to lower crime. It’s to put us out of business and end the sales of guns in Washington with one law that is very ill-intended.”

Of course, Gaughran is right.

Washington Democrats put little care into researching any of what they are suggesting beyond price. It likely explains why so much of the bill is duplicative of federal requirements. Lawmakers added the duplicative so-called “common sense” regulations (a phrase that was consistently repeated by the anti-gun activists who testified in favor of the bill) to make the entire bill seem reasonable.

While Democrats have systematically chipped away at gun rights in Washington, they’ve fought to keep criminals out of jail and push for the early release of felons. Perhaps it’s why Seattle saw its highest number of homicides ever recorded in 2023.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; amywallen; anarchotyranny; banglist; banks; civilwar; commerce; fees; ffls; hb2118; lawfare; rkba; washington
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Back door overthrow of the 2nd Amendment.
1 posted on 01/23/2024 7:16:02 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

Lawfare, yup. Regulated out of existence.

Compare what they do for things they want. Like the abortion industry.


2 posted on 01/23/2024 7:18:36 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Hiring a couple of motorcycle gangs by the industry in Washington state to "explain" things to selected parts of the legislature would be a lot cheaper.  
3 posted on 01/23/2024 7:23:20 PM PST by kiryandil (Rocco is roccking again!!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Doe the legislation say the video has to be uncompressed?

Does it specify how many fps?

If you take 1 fps at 320x200 the space requirements drop dramatically.

And if you have a hardware malfunction like everyone else in Seattle or wa state gov’t when asked to produce records, oh well, s#it happens


4 posted on 01/23/2024 7:30:30 PM PST by algore
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To: Uncle Miltie

Leftists need to understand that automatic grenade launchers are fairly easy to make. And so are mortars.

Democrats - control yourselves!


5 posted on 01/23/2024 7:37:41 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Uncle Miltie

People like Amy Wallen are exactly why the founders wrote the second amendment.


6 posted on 01/23/2024 7:40:03 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Uncle Miltie

What excuses are THEY using?
Fees should be voted on by the majority
someway and used only when proven necessary.

Tired of the aholes bankrupting us while they get richer.
Just make an excuse for a fee, then another..... then another.


7 posted on 01/23/2024 7:41:47 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Bye done!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

For some reason Democrats are afraid of an armed populace.


8 posted on 01/23/2024 7:55:45 PM PST by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.v v ely)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Similarly, most dems know that there are not enough DHS employees to process all the “asylum” cases that are coming in. Courts should not allow the government to demand or order the impossible.


9 posted on 01/23/2024 8:17:33 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: Uncle Miltie; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; ...

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More 2nd Amendment related articles on FR's Bang List.

10 posted on 01/23/2024 8:18:33 PM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Uncle Miltie

IMHO gun rights under the Second Amendment are a Federally protected right agreed to by the states when they entered the union. Therefore they have no legitimate authority to impose conditions on guns any more than they have under any of the other Bill of Rights.


11 posted on 01/23/2024 8:19:54 PM PST by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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To: from occupied ga

Amy Walen, former mayor of Kirkland, Washington.


12 posted on 01/23/2024 8:35:30 PM PST by kiryandil (Rocco is roccking again!!)
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To: All

OK, this is bad, and typical of leftists in America who thus far have only been able to infringe, not fully overturn the Second (and the First) Ammendment.

But......

If you don’t already have all the guns and ammunition you will ever actually need, without needing a licensed gun dealer in the future, then you aren’t doing it right.


13 posted on 01/23/2024 8:46:15 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Uncle Miltie

The surviving FFLs should institute a Washington State LEO Fee.

Apply a Local, State and Federal LEO fee to all transactions and sales.

5,000%

Your average AR would then run about what, $500,000.00?

The same fee would apply to any modifications, upgrades or repairs.

If they bitch advise them there is a 2x drama fee.

They can always complain to their Washington State representative.

I hear they are very sympathetic to LEO issues...

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14 posted on 01/23/2024 9:06:32 PM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Uncle Miltie

It’s a shame that two states have been taken over by maniacs living in a few cities, but it’s high time for the Conservative/Republicans in both to face reality.

Oregon went to mail in voting back in the 90s and has been an utter disaster ever since.

The tech boom and grunge music boon hit Seattle and Washington has fallen off a cliff ever since. Odd, because there are a lot, a lot, a lot of “Right leaning” folks in Washington that just want to be left alone to hunt, fish and live their lives.

So, about time that the folks of the eastern parts of both states unite and petition to redraw the border. Instead of an East-West border, let it go North-South. Give the leftist maniacs the coast, let everyone else have what they want to live their lives.


15 posted on 01/23/2024 10:30:46 PM PST by qaz123
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#ing Rats


16 posted on 01/23/2024 10:34:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist! )
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To: Uncle Miltie
Each exterior door or window must include bars or grates, a security screen, or commercial-grade metal doors. And all firearms must be stored in locked fireproof safes or a vault outside of business hours. The dealer must also hold a general liability insurance policy providing at least $1,000,000 of coverage per incident.

My family owned a small jewelry store, and this was pretty standard practice to satisfy the insurance carriers. Aside from insurance requirements, common sense would dictate that if you owned a gun shop and DID NOT have the above, you're an idiot.

17 posted on 01/23/2024 10:43:55 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: TLI
What you are proposing is a violation of both state and federal antitrust laws. The damages for antitrust law violations are treble damages. So that half-million AR fee, would likely cost the FFL over 1.5 million if you include the legal fees of the LEO.

Not good advice.

18 posted on 01/24/2024 12:04:33 AM PST by Robert357
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To: Uncle Miltie
“While Democrats have systematically chipped away at gun rights in Washington, they've fought to keep criminals out of jail and push for the early release of felons. Perhaps it's why Seattle saw its highest number of homicides ever recorded in 2023.”

Yes, it is a backdoor overthrow of the 2nd Amendment.

However, this is the Soviet of Washington. The final arbiter of state law is the WA State Supreme Court, which has an incredibly liberal bias. The State Supreme Court judges are elected and the bar association (quite liberal) makes sure that when a Justice is ready to retire, that a liberal is appointed on a temporary basis to replace them. Then in the next election that “replacement” gets to run as a “skilled incumbent.”

If a judge is too conservative, the School and various unions will raise money to defeat him/her and provide campaign workers to help elect someone else.

The above is why there are few if any 2nd Amendment lawsuits in WA State courts over what the Legislature does.

19 posted on 01/24/2024 12:09:54 AM PST by Robert357
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To: Rowdyone
IMHO gun rights under the Second Amendment are a Federally protected right agreed to by the states when they entered the union. Therefore they have no legitimate authority to impose conditions on guns any more than they have under any of the other Bill of Rights.

You are of course correct.

Unfortunately little things such as laws, the rule of law, U.S. Supreme Court rulings, other case law, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and democracy mean absolutely nothing to Demscum. You know, the same Demscum who say Trump is a threat to democracy. Exception: When the Demscum can use lawfare to hurt our side.

20 posted on 01/24/2024 12:48:43 AM PST by piytar (Do NOT forget Ashli Babbit!)
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