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Takeaways into AP investigation into Russian system to force its passports on occupied Ukraine
ABC news ^ | 15 March 2024 | LORI HINNANT. VASILISA STEPANENKO

Posted on 03/15/2024 3:12:26 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan

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ISW reported this months ago, and of course the story was excoriated in the comments by the usual suspects.

Expect the same again.

1 posted on 03/15/2024 3:12:26 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

It’s not occupied. It’s fully annexed and part off Russia now. The Duma even voted on it. Crimea also.

Sounds like someone is still in the denial phase lol.


2 posted on 03/15/2024 3:15:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: DesertRhino

Right on time.

Only Moscow thinks it’s annexed. No other nation does.


3 posted on 03/15/2024 3:18:28 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: DesertRhino

“It’s not occupied. It’s fully annexed and part off Russia now. The Duma even voted on it. Crimea also.”

There is a REASON why Victoria Nuland is gone. She very likely PROMISED her fellow Neocons that her goons in Ukraine would take Donbass and then take Crimea, and rid those areas of those pesky Ruzzians one way or another (drive them into Russia-proper, or take the Bandera Approach and simply exterminate them). Plus, of course, seize the Sevastopol Naval Base.

Neither happened, and now Russia is enlarged and STRONGER than ever.


4 posted on 03/15/2024 3:24:09 AM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

The Muskovites remain the barbarians they have always been.


5 posted on 03/15/2024 3:26:32 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

The first few words of that article reminded of the Kovid Krap we went through, most of the country fell for it happily, that’s the difference.


6 posted on 03/15/2024 3:41:59 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: DesertRhino

Alsace and Lorraine (formerly German speaking parts of France) were “fully annexed” parts of Germany, twice. They are not German now, and the language which was so prevalent is now secondary at best. It took 74 years and three wars to settle that particular dispute.

Regardless of who wins the current conflict, Russia and Ukraine will continue to spar over this territory. Too many FReepers think this is a contest between corrupt leaders. But it’s not, if past experience is any guide, Mr. Putin’s adventure has created a deep seated enmity that will grip the Ukrainian people in ways the neither they, he or Russian people will completely understand for years. If they lose this war, there will be at a minimum an insurgency, a nasty bloody affair to bleed Russia by a thousand cuts.

Additionally, any victory will not likely survive long after Mr. Putin’s eventual death. Therefore the Duma’s rubber stamp is meaningless, this question will be settled by force of arms. Which may take decades.


7 posted on 03/15/2024 3:42:39 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: quantim
The first few words of that article reminded of the Kovid Krap......

The apophenia is strong here....

8 posted on 03/15/2024 3:45:51 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

I smell fake news.

Vasilisa Stepanenko is a Ukrainian journalist and video producer. In 2023, she shared the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service with Evgeniy Maloletka, Mstyslav Chernov, and Lori Hinnant for her work with the Associated Press covering the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


9 posted on 03/15/2024 3:58:15 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

They wouldn’t have voted to secede if they didn’t want Russia’s protection


10 posted on 03/15/2024 3:58:25 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect
If they lose this war, there will be at a minimum an insurgency, a nasty bloody affair to bleed Russia by a thousand cuts.

You think East and South Ukraine preferred getting bombed by Ukrainians for 8 years? Overthrowing elections has consequences
11 posted on 03/15/2024 4:01:48 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

That is a bad analogy given the Crimea was very much Russian for more than 150 years, from before Texas was a state, for comparison. It was only made part of the Ukraine SSR as part of the USSR in the 1950s, because Khrushchev was from Ukraine and was calling the shots in the USSR, and made that administrative change.


12 posted on 03/15/2024 4:05:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
"The apophenia is strong here...."



Why yes, a forced passport by a commie government isn't much of a stretch.
13 posted on 03/15/2024 4:20:21 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan; quantim; drop 50 and fire for effect
--- "The first few words of that article reminded of the Kovid Krap...... The apophenia is strong here...."

Fancy, sesquipedalian non-argument.

ALL is subsumed under the larger rubrics of government and debt.

The current US government, post-Nuland, is still Biden's administration in all its activities and foci and expenditures, of which the Ukraine-Russia war is one among many. And the current US debt is rising very rapidly. 34.5 trillion USD, because the nation and its economy are now operating on a gigantic credit card.

Debt Clock
An earlier comment by 'drop 50 and fire for effect' observed, "...this question will be settled by force of arms. Which may take decades."

Attrition in troop strength is akin to attrition in war materiel, and both are akin to economic health and demographics. Many sick men doing battle does portend all will be settled and "may take decades" looms as a distinct possibility.

Tick tock.

14 posted on 03/15/2024 4:25:13 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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They wouldn’t have voted to secede if they didn’t want Russia’s protection

They didn't. If you believe that those were fair referenda then you must also believe in the Easter Bunny.

15 posted on 03/15/2024 4:41:50 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Jan_Sobieski
You think East and South Ukraine preferred getting bombed by Ukrainians for 8 years?

Still pushing that nonsense? It didn't happen.

16 posted on 03/15/2024 4:43:56 AM PDT by Petrosius
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That is a bad analogy given the Crimea was very much Russian for more than 150 years, from before Texas was a state, for comparison.

So was Poland. Crimea did not have a Russian majority until, in an act of ethnic cleansing, Stalin expelled the native Tartar population and replaced them with Russians. But what do you have to say about the other territories which have majority Ukrainian populations and have been recognized as a part of Ukraine since the time of Lenin?

17 posted on 03/15/2024 4:47:07 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
ISW reported this months ago,

😂😂😂

18 posted on 03/15/2024 4:57:39 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Fancy, sesquipedalian non-argument.

Strong infection here, too. What the heck does ANY of what you posted have to do with the subject of the article?

19 posted on 03/15/2024 5:01:02 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Jan_Sobieski
They wouldn’t have voted to secede if they didn’t want Russia’s protection

No-one outside Moscow and its' sycophants thinks that those "elections" were free and fair.

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." as some famous Russian dictator once said.

20 posted on 03/15/2024 5:10:45 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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