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To: ComputerGuy

Budapest Memorandum.


10 posted on 03/31/2024 11:34:54 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Got it.


12 posted on 03/31/2024 11:37:21 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: MinorityRepublican; ComputerGuy

All that does is say the participating countries will converse over questionable conduct.

No military or financial expectations are a part of that.


20 posted on 03/31/2024 11:54:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Budapest Memorandum.

What happens if violent revolutionaries overthrow the Government and Constitution of Ukraine and install a puppet Government? What if said Revolutionaries disenfranchise half the voters in the country and some Oblasts choose to secede?
48 posted on 03/31/2024 1:07:19 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A Memorandum isn’t a Treaty.


52 posted on 03/31/2024 1:24:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: MinorityRepublican

No, it doesn’t. A memorandum does not have a force of a treaty. Furthermore, the Budapest memo was very clear that we were not supposed to assert our dominance there either. More importantly the government of Ukraine that was party to that was dissolved in 2014 when it was overthrown by a Nazi putsch.

Last but not least, when the Nazi forces from western Ukraine attacked Russian speakers in the east to bring them under the control of the coup government, under United Nations rules, Russia was free to act. Duty to protect.

Russia has the same legitimacy for her military action that ours did in Syria does, that ours in Kosovo did, or ours in Libya did.


60 posted on 03/31/2024 1:51:17 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: MinorityRepublican; ComputerGuy
Pursuant to the Budapest Memorandum on security assurances, there was a commitment that any arising situation would be brought before the UN Security Council.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non­Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

Ukraine was assured that UN Security Council consideration would be sought. It was sought. As everyone knew, Russia held a veto on any action by the Security Council.

67 posted on 03/31/2024 2:21:33 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: MinorityRepublican
Budapest Memorandum

A piece of toilet paper signed by Clinton.

Lacking 2/3 Senate ratification, it is meaningless.

93 posted on 03/31/2024 5:44:49 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Budapest Memorandum.”

Useless here. It was not a military guarantee and committed us to nothing. As it was never submitted to the Senate for ratification it is not legally binding on us. That it was a Bill Clinton promise makes it even more worthless.


96 posted on 03/31/2024 7:04:07 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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