Posted on 04/11/2024 2:04:55 PM PDT by navysealdad
I didn’t follow it all, but some.
The initial group of six boys (17 years old or so?) including well built football players, started calling him names and filming him. The filmer shouted “for the culture!” - presumably for tik-tok views. He was in their area looking for a lost phone and he told them that.
I heard one of the boys held up a phone in the waterproof cases that many had rented along with the tubes. Mr. Miu thought that was his friend’s phone and ran up to the boys on their tubes.
Miu claims he stumbled, but regardless, he fell onto the front edge of their tubes for a second, loosing his goggles. I don’t know if it was discussed, but in my mind I’m thinking they were taunting him with the phone (not the lost phone I don’t think, unless the boys dumped it back into the river as it was found later by police in the river), but regardless, he thought it was the phone and he went up to see.
I don’t think he meant to stop them from continuing their float and trying to get the phone, for as soon as he stumbled he got up, then went around the tubes looking for his googles that he dropped. (The water appears to be 1-1/2 foot deep.)
All the while the boys are filming and laughing and cheering and taunting him, I think to get a reaction or just show how “cool” they are and to post online. Then the two 20-something girls (just 20?) started walking over. Miu’s defense said Miu thought these two adult women could help him and he walked towards them (away from the boys, who now could have floated past him), but the women get in his personal space, both of them grabbing his upper arms at times, point in his face, and yelling and swearing at him.
Meanwhile the boys have surrounded him. One of the boys shouts “You have ten seconds”. Miu pulls his knife out of his pocket and opens it. While he does not have it concealed, nobody else notices it.
At some point Miu does something and one of the women, Madison (blonde), stumbles back. That split second was not caught on camera.
In the original police interview a good friend of Madison’s a 20 year old male by the name of Dante, told police that Miu made a swift motion and his friend Riley (brunette) who he was standing right next to, is the one who was hit and stumbled.
Except 21 months later did he testified instead that Miu used his right hand and punched Madison (standing on the other side of Riley) in the upper left side of her face - high up on her cheek bone. He was very precise in describing Miu’s arm motion and where she was hit. (Previously he said he saw a swift motion of some sort).
He did not know how Madison did not have any marks on her as Miu had his open knife in his right hand at the time. Madison’s oversized sunglasses, which covered her high cheek bone weren’t damaged. Madison somehow, after being punched in the face with a knife by a 250 pound man only stumbled on the slippery rocks, and was able to hold on to her drink and vape and her self-phone stayed put stuffed near her shoulder into her swimsuit.
Dante, who sometimes worked at his Dad’s bar as a bouncer, punched Miu because he was angry he hit his friend. Miu falls back into the river. Somebody pulls him from behind to hold him, his face sometimes under water, Dante hits him twice more until his brother pulls him off.
Miu is still being attacked by others and he starts slashing out. Dante hears the screaming and had his back to the group. He turns around (he says he was about 6 feet away from Miu) and Miu probably figured he was going to attack him again and stabs Dante once. (Based on Dante’s testimony, of course Dante may be lying or miss-remembered and Dante could have taken a step back towards the melee to help his friends or to attack Miu.)
Stepping back in time - Miu claimed that when the women were grabbing at him, pointing, yelling and in his face he brought his left hand up and out to create some space. He was not sure if he made contact with Madison or not. (Again, she stumbled, but she didn’t drop anything that she was holding.)
Dante made a big deal of being in fear of being harmed, or others being harmed. “So that is why you continued hitting him with him laying on his back in the water and surrounded? You were fearful?”
“Yes”.
“But then you went with your brother even though he was still there laying in the river when you had been in fear of him doing that, but then you stopped. Why did you stop? Was three hits enough to get your anger out?”
“Yeah - I guess.”
The above is not verbatim, but pretty close.
To me it is probably self defense. And that “probably” makes it a reasonable doubt that this was a 1st degree homocide.
I think what got Mr. Miu convicted was not calling 911 for help after the attack, leaving the scene the way he did (not fleeing for his safety, just floated down the river), tossing his knife, the lies he told his friends and police afterwards. And talking to them without an attorney.
Classic video on never talk to the police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=2477s
Oh. Dante, in fear for his and other’s lives as he hit Miu laying in the river - Dante was still able to hold onto his drink in his left hand.
Another thing. Madison said she took photos of her injuries right after. But then for some reason deleted them. The police said they had ways to retrieve the deleted photos so they gave them the phone.
They were not able to recover any photos. They said their was no evidence that any photos of her injuries had been deleted. They went through her mother’s phone in case Madison had sent her mother the photos. No photos there either.
I watched the entire video closely.
You are wrong he grabbed their tubes and made an aggressive presence. Yes they acted wrongly as I said they were also at fault
Why is it that everything has to be either white or black with so many people here…? A situation can happen with 2 bad parties. (Don’t answer it was rhetorical).
Plus it’s hard to say who threw the first actual punch as the camera was allowed to slip then, and have you have heard of the term “justifiable violence”. Stabbing 2 teen guys in swimming trunks to the point their guts come out, a girl who was standing there and others is hardly justifiable for being slapped and pushed into the water.
That there were no girls in the “ Isaac group “ doesn’t mean there were none around them on the river.
“on every concept” whatever lets hear some of them and discuss.
I do agree with you I don’t really like the sort of young adults they appeared to be. They seem on the Woke side. However being young and woke those doesn’t mean Miu can affront them, SLAP a girl which was apparently the first violence used (even yelling at a person doesn’t give that person the right to be violent—legally). Then after the hitting and pushing starts he disembowels THREE people. The amount of people here glorifying this and trying to say it warranted deadly selfdefense sickens me. Here is Miu before any violence literally being asked and told by adults and kids to leave them alone. They were not robbing him, they were not assaulting him, they were not attacking any of his friends. They just wanted him to leave the teens alone—-to go. Why didn’t he just walk away…answer: He wanted to fight. 
Your subjective perception means squat. “Aggressively ” only counts if there is actual assault at that point. Aggression came LATER. Use words correctly or stay out of these matters.
In addition, “disembowelling” means to quite literally leave the intestines out of place, hanging out. That never happened. Perhaps you never had the advantages of a proper education, but your linguistic usage needs more acuity.
This conviction is quite on the lines of Chauvin: the video makes the guy look bad, but he is within the letter of the law.
My last post on this as I think I could find less ill will on DU.
Your constant petty insults anger me but I won’t stoop to your level in return.
I will say I would match my education level with yours any day.
You are categorically and 100% WRONG on so many counts.
1. A person may indeed act aggressively without any contact
Definition: “ hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront.”
Now you will argue with a dictionary and tell me how wrong Oxford is , that it’s only aggression if you kill someone or attack them physically. No, all one has to do is show hostile behavior or confront with an attitude.
2. Your ignorance is monumental in this case on the injuries suffered. In fact TWO people were cut so severely in their abdomen that their guts were hanging out and possibly 3, the deceased Isaac Schumann.
AJ Martin was slit open so deep and wide he was literally “holding his guts in his hands”:
Video—-Apple River Stabbing Victim: My Intestines Were in My Hands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO2KBLd5zT8
Rhyley Mattison had to have 30 stables as he cut her from the lower intestine up, also a punctured lung and diaphragm
https://www.fox9.com/news/apple-river-stabbing-timeline-of-what-happened-nicolae-miu
“ He then encountered a woman who would be identified as Ryhley Mattison sitting on a tube with her “bodily organs” outside of her chest cavity. “
https://www.weau.com/2024/04/04/watch-apple-river-stabbing-trial-day-4/
Congratulations, I don’t know if Ive encountered a more ignorant, insulting , pompous and generally wrong person on FR. You take the cake.
I watched the video and you are very wrong.
They knocked him down and then several of them were attacking him while he was in his back in the water. THEY are the ones who didn’t de-escalate.
There were several of them, and one of him. He’s just supposed to stand there and take a beating?
Yes on the knocked down but what you didn’t see was the first strike because no camera recorded it.
Every single witness there…I mean everyone…said he struck the woman first because she was in his face. That was under oath in-court testimony. That’s when the drunk teens over-reacted and attacked him.
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