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Enough is Enough: An Open Letter to the President of the United States
Arutz Sheva ^ | 4/19/2002 | Rabbi Eliezer Waldman

Posted on 04/19/2002 4:57:04 PM PDT by anotherview

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To: Rightwing Canuck
How about some background on this "debunked" history of the anti-semitic Church?
41 posted on 04/20/2002 5:19:51 AM PDT by iopscusa
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To: anotherview
The American people have spoken....we support Israel!!! Israel is the only ally we have in this area and maybe anywhere. When the IDF leads the charge through Damascus and Baghdad with the most wll equipped , trained and motivated armed forces in the world you will know where our support has benefitted the USA. The IDF>>the Spearhead!!
42 posted on 04/20/2002 5:31:39 AM PDT by iopscusa
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To: cicero, dr. brian kopp, notwithstanding, patent, askel5
In exile, the Jews were always exposed to both physical destruction and religious persecution by both the Christian crusades and the Islamic Jihad. These hateful attempts at exterminating the Jewish people came to their unbelievable peak during the Holocaust. Hitler drew his ideology from Christian sources and sought the advice of the Mufti Husseini of Jerusalem, who eagerly became Hitler´s partner in planning the "final solution" for the Jews. This was implemented with the unconscionable passive silence of the Western powers, the indifference of the Church, led by Pope Pius XII of Rome, and the active aid of European nations.

The author of this article is nuts!

43 posted on 04/20/2002 5:45:51 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Jorge
And in the name of Judaism, people, including Christians, have been persecuted.

I assume that you are speaking of the Pharisees, and the High Priest who persecuted the early Christians. However, you must remember that the earliest Christians were all Jews themselves, and the Christian movement was seen as a renegade segment.

44 posted on 04/20/2002 10:08:38 AM PDT by Selara
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To: Diago
The article is pure dung.
45 posted on 04/20/2002 12:50:46 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Selara
"And in the name of Judaism, people, including Christians, have been persecuted."

I assume that you are speaking of the Pharisees, and the High Priest who persecuted the early Christians.

Yes.

However, you must remember that the earliest Christians were all Jews themselves, and the Christian movement was seen as a renegade segment.

They weren't all Jews, though most were in the beginning. But while the Religious Jews were persecuting Christianity it was rapidly spreading to the gentile population.

46 posted on 04/20/2002 1:23:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: one_particular_harbour
Another holocaustoid crawls out of the woodwork. Some people need to broaden their horizons.
50 posted on 04/20/2002 6:03:28 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: one_particular_harbour
Never has there been a precedent of a desolate and barren land suddenly flowering and blossoming . . .


Let's see . . . uh . . . The Imperial valley of California comes to mind.
                   . . . The Central valley of California
                   . . . the entire Mid-West
                   . . . Much of New England
                   . . . much of the South-East
                   . . . 5% of Nevada . . .IDEA!!!!!

ALL ISRAELI'S . . . ATTENTION!!!   . . . PLEASE COME SETTLE THE OTHER 95% OF NEVADA 
AND MAKE IT BLOOM TOO.

PLEASE!!!

52 posted on 04/20/2002 6:17:44 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Governor StrangeReno
Bit hard when Vatican records between 1923 and 45 are not available

False. Thousands of documents have been published. The Vatican has opened more of its archives from this period than many other governments.

53 posted on 04/20/2002 7:21:23 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: anotherview
Welcome to Free Republic. Why not take this opportunity to dissociate yourself from the blood libel you posted, that Pius XII was indifferent to the Holocaust?
54 posted on 04/20/2002 7:25:12 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: F16Fighter
Waldman: Jews were always expose to both physical destruction and religious persecution by both the Christian crusades and the Islamic Jihad...[and] Hitler drew his ideology from Christian sources...[who] eagerly became Hitler's partner in planning the "final solution" for the Jews.

FIghter: Rabbi Waldman is a pompous, bigot who would rather pronounce a sweeping indictment of millions of Christians

Millions of Christians have not participated in the Crusades. The anti-Jewish edicts are well documented: they started right in the IV century.

Your statement, therefore, is false and name-calling unfounded.

through lies and distortions Which?

that ironically would make Dr. Goebbels proud. Pretty low on the part of an F16Fighter --- if you are indeed one.

You take one statement of one Rabbi, which indeed may contain errors, and equate it with the person who spent his life, 24-7, fine-tuning the Nazi propaganda machine.

I doubt very much you would compare Falwell to Hitler if you found that Falwell misspoke on something. I am sure that if a non-Christian made such a comparison, you would feel offended. Why do you do onto others that which you would not want to be done onto yourself?

It is interesting to observe also how much fervor this letter elicited on this thread: this is just one Rabbi, not even prominent, who happens to have written a letter to our president. You know ---- just like a lot of schoolchildren do. Even if you disagree with some words he said -- what's the big deal? Why not to leave it at what it is: that you think this Rabbi is wrong? When writing this letter, he does not represent even those 20 people he may have in his congregation; most certainly he is not speaking for the Jews as a people or Israel as a state.

55 posted on 04/20/2002 7:56:06 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: elmer fudd
Money always comes with strings attached. Very interesting. Have you heard of gifts?

I am sorry you hang out with terrible people who led you to believe such a terrible thing. In the rest of the world, people do extend and receive gifts and help.

56 posted on 04/20/2002 7:59:11 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: luvbach1
An important difference between the Israeli fight against terror and America's (not mentioned in the open letter to Bush) is that the Israel has negotiable issues with the Palestinians while the US has none with Osama Bin Laden. You have confounded two disparate issues in the last sentence. To make a parallel, one could say either
Israel has negotiable issues with the Palestinians while the US has none with the Afghan people.
or
Israel has no negotiable issues with the known terrorists just like the US has none with Osama bin Laden.
THat is, put people and people in both places, or persons and persons.

I know you did not have such intentions at all, but this confounding is precisely what the Palestinian propaganda tries to sell. By making the ever so slight substitutions of entities involved and criteria for comparison, to make our war look different from that of the Israelis. Again, this coincidence appears to be coincidental; I do not mean to say that such was your intention.

I liked also your point about blurred lines between civilians and terrorists. Not only the nature of terrorism makes the line blurred, but specific actions of the Palestinians. Specifically, we hear a lot about Israelis blocking ambulances and hindering their immediate access to the wounded. What we do not hear from the press is that the Palestinians have used, several times, ambulances for ambush. If this happened in New Yourk, our National GUard would be doing the same thing at checkpoints as the Israelis do.

Similarly, some suicide --- homicide is indeed better --- bombers have dresseed themselves as Orthodox Jews. I heard (but could not verify) of the cases where they have used attire of Christian clergy for their own means. Now, when Israelis are suspicios, it looks (and reported) as disrespect to the clergy. Unfortunately it is this deliberate "blurring" of lines by Palestinians that cases much of it as well. Rgards, TQ.

57 posted on 04/20/2002 8:11:37 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: iopscusa
Israel is the only ally we have in this area and maybe anywhere.

As I had always believed but G. Will said better than I could, "There would be no Desert Storm had it not been for the Israeli raid on the Iraqi nuclear installations ten years earlier."

It was a short act, not a war, so it was quicly forgotten. BUt the Isralis plains, in a daring raid, flew to Iraq and destroyed the Iraqi nuclear facilities. What would we do in 1991 if Iraq still had them? Absolutely nothing. ANd only G-d knows what we would have on our hands as a result. In the very least, $5-per-gallon gasoline, which would destroy the world economy. Instead, we had an unparalleled prosperity and expansion in the 1990s.

Israel also pays back in what we do not see: how many wars that damage our, Western interests would have occured if it were not for the deterrence that the presence and strength of Israel provides?

58 posted on 04/20/2002 8:19:18 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Diago
DO you mean to say that everythign you quoted is so wrong?

Are you a victim of public education?

59 posted on 04/20/2002 8:20:25 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Quite frankly, when anyone attempts to equivocate and link "Christianity" with Adolf Hitler, while also accusing the two entities of being in "partnership in planning the Final Solution" for Jews, THAT, sir/madame is slander of millions, upon millions of people in the name of making political hay. But who cares, as long as the end justifies the means, eh?

Propaganda is propaganda, whether it is one word, one sentence, or ONE paragraph from the lips of Joseph Goebeels OR Rabbi Waldman.

If you don't appreciate my pronouncement, then help yourself to more kool-ade -- you're a quart low.

60 posted on 04/20/2002 8:24:54 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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