Surgi Center: Abortion Clinic forced to allow both sides of the issue now

Being a part of the Good Friday -- Holy Saturday Prayer Vigil | April 21, 2003 | Vanity -- topher

[topher]

This time last year, pro-lifers around the Atlanta area had the first "Friday before Easter Sunday" prayer vigil at a late term abortion clinic. This is Surgi Center -- which across the street from one of the TBS (Turner Broadcasting Systems) buildings at 1113 Spring Street in Atlanta.

At that time, a Deputy Sheriff (who moonlighted as a security guard at the abortion clinic) would arrest Pro-Lifers for being on a public sidewalk. There were "Death-scorts" -- Escorts for those going into the abortion clinic. Supposedly some of those were involved in witchcraft.

This year is the difference between day and night. The Deputy Sheriff can no longer moonlight at this abortion clinic. His arrests, which were thrown out of court, led to this decision.

Later in the year, Darlene, one of the Death-Scorts, had one very bad Saturday. She is supposed to be involved in witchcraft. One of the Pro-Lifers was watching her that day. She first ran into a telephone post (hitting her head), and then later ran into a sign -- trying to drag the women/girls into the abortion clinic.

The Pro-Lifer started up a conversation with a black man who was just quietly watching everything that day. The Pro-Lifer had no idea that this was an undercover policeman -- sent to find out what was happening at the clinic.

As the Pro-Lifer was talking to this person (the undercover policeman), Darlene came up, and the Pro-Lifer told her that she needed to "cool it" or she might hurt herself or one of the women.

After that Saturday, the Death-Scorts disappeared from Surgi Center, and were replaced with professional security guards.

Another change has come about this year that was not allowed last year -- the women/girls (and men/boys) had the chance to talk to Pro-Lifers. This truly gave these people a "real" choice -- to know that it was not necessary to have an abortion but that there was the alternative of "adoption".

There was another great change this year -- signs that filled the sidewalk on the other side of the street.

It is estimated that the crowd of Pro-Lifers who attended the Vigil -- from noon on Good Fridy to noon on Holy Saturday -- was about 200 people.

There was never 200 people at any time, but at 4AM there were about 8 people there. At other times, the crowd swelled to about 60 people.

The key focus of the vigil was a "protest" but prayers for an to abortion and prayers to the innocents being slaughtered as well as for those who doing the slaughtering or going in to have their baby slaughtered.

A rare thing happened this year that did not happen last year -- a woman changed her mind and left, after talking almost an hour with two Pro-Life women, giving her literature, and explaining to her what abortion is like.

I managed to be there for about 20 hours of the 24 hour vigil.

But the real meaning of choice is to allow women to have the "Right to Know" -- legislation in Georgia that is being held up by Democrats and powerful groups such as NOW and Planned Parenthood. Such groups claim to have the interest of the woman at heart, but is against giving the woman an "informed" right to know what is truly happening to her body, and the consequences, such as breast cancer, that abortion can lead to.

Though Martha Burk is great about protesting about Golf courses, if she was truly concerned about the health and well-being of women, she would at least be fighting the Georgia State Legistlature to let women have an "informed" opinion on abortion.

Very few women realize the damage that abortion often does to their bodies.

Does Martha Burk truly represent the needs of women? When it comes to abortion and the dangers they pose to women, the answer is "NO".

She is just a hypocrite.

If she truly cared about women, she would make abortion clinics a safe and clean place for women, and allow women the "Right to Know" what will happen to their bodies.

Finally, I attribute the successes in the past year at the Surgi Center abortion clinic to the power of prayer. And it appears, at least in the case of those who appear to have been involved in witchcraft, that Satan is losing as well at this abortion clinic.

[topher]

There are two other aspects of Surgi Center that should receive Government attention.

One is that the abortionist, in this late term abortion, starts the procedure on one day, then releases his/her patient before the procedure is done, and then completes it the next day when the patient returns.

Sometimes these "patients" end up at the emergency ward at Grady Hospital or even Northside Hospital in Atlanta. But this is covered at Grady, at least, by people who know people in the emergency room at Grady Hospital.

The other problem with this Abortion Clinic is that there are rumors of Medicaid fraud. Dr. Malloy has a normal practice where he can charge Medicaid, and it has been found in the past that abortionists use a legitimate practice for delivering babies for changing abortion charges to.

How do we get the government to investigate and prevent such fraud? How can the women be better protected by sanity conditions? How can women be protected against abortionists who start a procedure on one day, and complete it on the next day -- releasing the patient inbetween?

[Search4Truth]

There were times in my earlier days when I was a little fuzzy on the right and wrong of abortion; not proud of that. Occasionally, I‘d see those protest signs which graphically depicted the realities of abortion. The pictures were so a shocking that I had to reject even thinking about them.

Consequently, I did not think about the subject at all. Later, when I examined the honest facts of abortion and all of its implications, without the shocking reality that caused me to recoil from the subject, I became a devout pro-lifer. How can we claim to be a beacon and purveyor of light and life to the world, while this atrocity at home continues?

IMHO, it is much more effective to enlighten someone with the truth, then to shock them with reality.

God bless you in your good work. For the ideals you fight for here at home, our brave men are fighting for abroad. You honor their sacrifices with your work.

[ALS]

"But the real meaning of choice is to allow women to have the "Right to Know""

BINGO!

[RonF]

I have a question:

If abortion clinics are required to give their patients information about adoption, etc., shouldn't adoption services be required to provide their clients with information about abortion? Should Catholic couseling services be required to hand out information about birth control?

[LiteKeeper]

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[CindyDawg]

This may be something yall have already covered but I have been thinking lately that these women also need to be aware of what happens to their aborted baby afterwards. They need to have a choice about donating the child to research or not and be aware of how much money PP will receive for their baby. This is a business (a horrible business, I know) and until it's not profitable they have no incentative to stop.

[Illbay]

Supposedly some of those were involved in witchcraft.

Uh-huh. Love the solid "journalism" here.

Surprised you didn't have a thrilling expose' of an actual Black Mass.

[madprof98]

The individual in question boasts of her witchiness on her website, found here. But like other apologists for abortion, I don't suppose you'd let the facts interfere with your prejudices.

[Illbay]

But like other apologists for abortion, I don't suppose you'd let the facts interfere with your prejudices.

My, aren't we certain of our relative positions based on no data whatsoever?

FWIW, the only thing I'm prejudiced against is hyperbole and amateur journalism.

[Illbay]

The only comment I would have about the woman's web-page is, I wonder why a lesbian worries about "abortion rights?"

[fr_freak]

I have a question:

If abortion clinics are required to give their patients information about adoption, etc., shouldn't adoption services be required to provide their clients with information about abortion? Should Catholic couseling services be required to hand out information about birth control?

Well, let's look at it this way: abortion is a medical procedure. That part is not in dispute. With all medical procedures, doctors are normally obliged to give the patient all of the details involving steps in the procedure, health risks, AND alternatives, if there are any. In this case, the alternative would be to have the baby full term and, considering that the nature of abortion is generally such that the baby is unwanted, presenting that alternative would necessarily include what you can do with the live baby afterward (adoption, etc.). This course of action is not unreasonable to expect from a "medical" facility.

An adoption agency, however, has nothing to do with medical procedures. Their primary mission is to place live babies with families. For them to provide information promoting any medical procedure would be inappropriate, let alone a questionable one. Moreover, the adoption agency assumes a live baby and works from there, the two major alternatives being either keep the baby in the family, or give it away. Therefore, they have neither obligation nor authority to insert themselves into the process before the baby is born, otherwise you'd find adoption agency workers running around high schools handing out comdoms.

As far as the Catholic counseling goes, I think the answer to that is obvious. A religious organization should not be forced to violate their own beliefs. For-profit organizations (or even non-profit) that receive government (read taxpayer) money simply aren't guaranteed the same protections under the Constitution. Nothing more needs to be said about that.

A more crucial point, though, is that there is no way to seperate the moral aspect of the abortion question from the procedure itself. It is morally questionable and it violates the core beliefs of a great many people. Asking whether adoption agencies should have to give out abortion info as an alternative assumes that the two things are equal, but they are not, and therfore cannot be treated the same way. A clinic promoting a morally questionable act being required to present the question-free alternative of birth is not the same as an agency which services those who have made that moral choice being required to promote a morally questionable act.

[victim soul]

Should doctors be used and allowed by our government to kill unwanted children?

[victim soul]

Because many women who have aborted because of the desertion of their fathers or their sexual mate become lesbians and they never have to worry about being pregnant again

[Lady Eileen]

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[cebadams]

I like your reply to RonF the best especially the "... dumbest stump ever to sprout". If you don't mind I may just use that one myself. LOL.

[MHGinTN]

Should Catholic couseling services be required to hand out information about birth control? posted by RonF If abortion is counted a 'rite' of the religion of Secular HUmanism ... but even that would not fit since the state cannot dictate what a religion may believe (that same old church and state issue, don'tcha know).

[RonF]

In order for an adoption agency to place live babies with couples, they have to first get live babies. Adoption agencies get involved with the source of those babies before the birth of said babies all the time. Those babies are their product, and they need to make sure that they have a supply of babies or they don't make money. They want to make sure that they know where the babies are coming from, and they often want to make sure that the babies meet certain health standards. Sure, some are babies whose moms just walk in the front door, but a lot aren't. So it's in the interests of adoption agencies (an industry just as abortion providers are) to ensure that the kids are 1) born, and 2) given up. I doubt you'll hear them discuss the risks of childbirth with any single mother, or the mental health aspects of the years of later regret and guilt after giving their child up for adoption that many such women suffer.

[topher]

I have a question:

If abortion clinics are required to give their patients information about adoption, etc., shouldn't adoption services be required to provide their clients with information about abortion? Should Catholic couseling services be required to hand out information about birth control?

Abortion Clinics are secular services. Catholic counseling is not.

It does not follow about adoption services requiring information about abortion. For one thing, abortion is against the ethics of the medical profession (the Hypocratic oath forbade killing and forbade giving women potions for abortions). This aspect of the Hypocratic oath -- almost 3200 years old -- sticks in the crawl of NOW and Planned Parenthood.

In the other place, Christians for 2000 years have been against birth control as being immoral. The exception in 2000 years in that in the 1930's certain prominient Protestant churches decided that Birth Control was okay.

But true Evangelical Christians are opposed to abortion. For Catholics, they have the support of the Pope, their Bishops and most of their priests (though not all).

One of the earliest church documents the Didache, also known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, forbade homosexuality and abortion, as well as infanticide.

The teachings of the Didache was rolled into the teachings of the church after the Council of Nicea -- which also gave Christians the Bible -- Old and New Testament.

So from a medical perspective, abortion is wrong (from a 3200 year tradition started with Hypocrates) and has always been wrong with Christians (and Jews) alike. The Chapter after the 10 commandments in the book of Exodus speaks of very harsh penalties for harming a pregnant woman and her baby (Exodux 21:22-26).

Islam also forbids abortion as well.

It is only in recent times that certain "Christian" religions have embraced both abortion, infanticide (Partial Birth Abortion), homosexuality, and birth control.

[topher]

Uh-huh. Love the solid "journalism" here.

Surprised you didn't have a thrilling expose' of an actual Black Mass.

I had visited Darlene's website a while back. I am not an expert on witchcraft, but she had some interesting things in her website.

I just can't give first hand account that they are involved in witchcraft or solid evidence.

But some of these people would physically "force" the women into the abortion clinic, and not allow them to talk to the Pro-Lifers. If nothing else, they are interfering with the freedom of the women who are going to have an abortion, and they have very strong convictions about helping these women have abortions.

I would not want any of them to enter my house for fear of the evil they might bring with them, nor would I enter their house.