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'First Americans Were Australian'
BBC ^ | 6-15-2003

Posted on 06/15/2003 9:18:19 PM PDT by blam

'First Americans were Australian'

This is the face of the first known American, Lucia

The first Americans were descended from Australian aborigines, according to evidence in a new BBC documentary.

The skulls suggest faces like those of Australian aborigines

The programme, Ancient Voices, shows that the dimensions of prehistoric skulls found in Brazil match those of the aboriginal peoples of Australia and Melanesia. Other evidence suggests that these first Americans were later massacred by invaders from Asia.

Until now, native Americans were believed to have descended from Asian ancestors who arrived over a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska and then migrated across the whole of north and south America. The land bridge was formed 11,000 years ago during the ice age, when sea level dropped.

How rock art suggests a violent end for the "Australian" Americans However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness. Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.

The site is at Serra Da Capivara in remote northeast Brazil. This area is now inhabited by the descendants of European settlers and African slaves who arrived just 500 years ago.

But cave paintings found here provided the first clue to the existence of a much older people.

The costumes and rituals shown in rock art survived in Terra del Fuego

Images of giant armadillos, which died out before the last ice age, show the artists who drew them lived before even the natives who greeted the Europeans.

These Asian people have facial features described as mongoloid. However, skulls dug from a depth equivalent to 9,000 to 12,000 years ago are very different.

Walter Neves, an archaeologist from the University of Sao Paolo, has taken extensive skull measurements from dozens of skulls, including the oldest, a young woman who has been named Lucia.

"The measurements show that Lucia was anything but mongoloid," he says.

Walter Neves has measured hundreds of skulls

The next step was to reconstruct a face from Lucia's skull. First, a CAT scan of the skull was done, to allow an accurate working model to be made.

Then a forensic artist, Richard Neave from the University of Manchester, UK, created a face for Lucia. The result was surprising: "It has all the features of a negroid face," says Dr Neave.

Lucia's skull is 12,000 years old

The skull dimensions and facial features match most closely the native people of Australia and Melanesia. These people date back to about 60,000 years, and were themselves descended from the first humans, who left Africa about 100,000 years ago.

But how could the early Australians have travelled more than 13,500 kilometres (8,450 miles) at that time? The answer comes from more cave paintings, this time from the Kimberley, a region at the northern tip of Western Australia.

Here, Grahame Walsh, an expert on Australian rock art, found the oldest painting of a boat anywhere in the world. The style of the art means it is at least 17,000 years old, but it could be up to 50,000 years old.

And the crucial detail is the high prow of the boat. This would have been unnecessary for boats used in calm, inland waters. The design suggests it was used on the open ocean.

Fantastic voyage

Archaeologists speculate that such an incredible sea voyage, from Australia to Brazil, would not have been undertaken knowingly but by accident.

Just three years ago, five African fishermen were caught in a storm and a few weeks later were washed up on the shores of South America. Two of the fishermen died, but three made it alive.

Walter Neves says the negroid people disappear 7,000 years ago But if the first Americans had drifted from Australia, where are their descendants now? Again, the skulls suggest an answer.

The shape of the skulls changes between 9,000 and 7,000 years ago from being exclusively negroid to exclusively mongoloid. Combined with rock art evidence of increasing violence at this time, it appears that the mongoloid people from the north invaded and wiped out the original Americans.

Fuegean Cristina Calderon may be one of the few surviving descendants of the first Americans

The only evidence of any survivors comes from Terra del Fuego, the islands at the remotest southern tip of South America.

The pre-European Fuegeans, who lived stone age-style lives until this century, show hybrid skull features which could have resulted from intermarrying between mongoloid and negroid peoples. Their rituals and traditions also bear some resemblance to the ancient rock art in Brazil.

The identity of the first Americans is an emotive and controversial question. But the evidence from Brazil, and a handful of people who still live at the very tip of South America, suggests that the Americas have been home to a greater diversity of humans than previously thought - and for much longer.


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To: blam

There was. He was a local chieftain in Wales. He probably visited Ireland, which is in the same general direcion as America and had apples.


121 posted on 02/11/2007 11:19:24 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: KevinDavis
Where Was Atlantis? Sundaland Fits The Bill, Surely!
122 posted on 02/11/2007 11:21:26 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

I wonder how this will play out with the Mormon church's contention that people from Jerusalem were also here a couple of thousand years ago. If the new idea is going to be that the Americas were a sort of Grand Central Station with the world's population coming and going down through the centuries perhaps the Book of Mormon won't be seen as so far fetched. Good news for Romney, I guess.


123 posted on 02/11/2007 11:25:35 AM PST by Burkean
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To: blam; All

Well I think there was many cities that are lost or they where Atlantean colonies.. I think Atlantis was in the Atlantic Ocean, but I could be wrong....


124 posted on 02/11/2007 11:26:19 AM PST by KevinDavis (“To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual ways of preserving peace” – George Washington)
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To: Quix
Your origins are in the Middle East. Go here, click on 'genertic markers' then look on the right side of that page and click on M170...you'll see the travels of your ancestors.
125 posted on 02/11/2007 11:27:00 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
No wonder I've been craving this lately.


126 posted on 02/11/2007 11:31:00 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

"Getting on the same page" is not the objective. Reconstructing prehistory is the objective. There are no gurus or authorities in this area... it's all about finding truth, one fibre at a time.


127 posted on 02/11/2007 11:34:16 AM PST by Tax Government (Defeat Islamic imperialists, democrats and...)
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To: blam

The National Geographic gave me all that but I'll happily check your link.

Thanks.

Now, to find out what percentage Cherokee--great grandfater was but I believe there was other contributions in there of Cherokee as well.

Then Campbel from mother as well as German . . . Some possibility of some from India . . . Baltic . . . Middle Eastern . . . Irish, English . . .


128 posted on 02/11/2007 11:37:31 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: KevinDavis; blam; SunkenCiv; Las Vegas Dave

Here's a link to a long pdf study report re space exploration; space hazards to earth etc.

http://iaaweb.org/iaa/Studies/nextsteps.pdf


129 posted on 02/11/2007 11:43:04 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: RightWhale; All

Here's the blurb about the show at the end of Jan from:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/01/29.html

= = = =

The Coming Catastrophe
An expert in such fields as advanced programming and database systems, Brent Miller discussed his involvement with The Horizon Project, which brings together numerous researchers and scientists. From analyzing a variety of ancient data and evidence, the group has concluded that Earth is about to enter a catastrophic phase, which occurs on a cyclic basis.

Miller cited evidence for past global catastrophes, such as sunken ancient cities, polar ice samples containing cosmic dust, ancient accounts of the sun moving backwards in the sky, and missing ancient technologies. The catastrophe occurred from a sudden geographic Pole Shift, he said, explaining that this takes place as the solar system nears the 'Galactic Plain' (see graphic below).

During this calamity, massive waves will wipe out 1/3 of the population, particularly those living on the coast lines, he warned, and another third will die within six months of the shift, due to the aftermath. He noted that Nostradamus, Cayce, Mother Shipton, the Mayan calendar, and current remote viewers all foresee a cataclysmic event taking place in the future. People can prepare by moving away from the coast, and planning out survival strategies of how they can live without the current infrastructure, Miller offered.

= = = =

And the Horizon Project website here:

http://www.thehorizonproject.com/

Blurbs from there:

The Horizon Project uses an unprecedented approach to deciphering the answers behind life's most puzzling questions; breaking through the flawed explanations of fragmented modern theory that compound each year to further mask the truth. See the overwhelming scientific evidence previously lost and re-discover the shocking answers that have been under our noses all along.
No matter your belief system or your professional background; The Horizon Project will change the way you look at everything!

Episode 01 of The Horizon Project begins with a frightening bang. Newly discovered scientific evidence shows that the world as we know it is about to come to an unexpected end; however, knowing what's coming over the horizon is only the tip of the iceberg; understanding WHY presents a picture far greater than you could have imagined.

Global catastrophic events throughout our past have severed the flow of information from one generation to the next, creating permanent gaps in history and knowledge. Civilizations that came before us knew of the upcoming inevitable catastrophe, leaving behind major clues that have just been recently discovered. The knowledge that was once lost is the missing link that provides a clear understanding of how our world truly operates. Ironically, these clues also inform us that time is running out; sooner than you may believe.

Understand what is about to happen but more importantly HOW and WHY. In Episode 01, The Horizon Project Research Team will identify some of the signs that are scattered all over our planet and reveal a shocking truth!

The Horizon Project's charter is to gather and cross-check vast amounts of knowledge in many dozen specialized fields from scientists and researchers around the globe in addition to studying thousands of historical documents spanning back to the dawn of history. These fields include archeology, geology, astro, geo & quantum physics, ancient languages & civilizations, paleontology, ancient history, genetics and others.

The emphasis is on solving the puzzles that each field is unable to solve individually because of overspecialization and their focus to advance their own specialized knowledge. The knowledge to explain many of these anomalies had been unknowingly found by other fields of study, but the very nature of most commercial research today does not support the unlimited exchange of information between fields since there is no overtly apparent connection between most of them. As a result, these anomalies remain unsolved until now.

By better understanding a much broader scope of scientific research covering many fields of study, and our own history from multiple vantage points, we are able to derive an overall picture of our past. This goal is monumental in scope and ongoing; however, the research has uncovered an unnerving understanding that the world as we know it is about to come to an unexpected end in our near future. The findings will not only shock you, but will change the way you look at life forever!

= = = =

The FEB castrophey 'expert' from here:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/02/08.html

Evidence for Catastrophe
Author Lawrence Joseph discussed how a variety of knowledge he gathered from around the world led him to conclude that humankind is soon to face major earth changes and catastrophe. Storms and intense activity on the sun are on the rise and connected with quakes and upheaval on the Earth, he said. For instance, in September 2005 there were unprecedented storms on the sun, and this was also the time of hurricanes such as Katrina and Rita.

Meeting with Russian scientists in Siberia, he was told that our entire Solar System is passing through an interstellar energy cloud and this would bring on a global cataclysm within less than a decade. He also investigated the deterioration of the Earth's magnetic field, interviewing scientists at a South African Magnetic Observatory.

The Mayans had a precise system of astronomy, and their calendar which ends in 2012, completed the largest cycle of time they could graph, Joseph noted. They saw the center of our galaxy as a navel, and warned of a great disruption on Earth when the Sun aligns with the galactic center, he explained. As to the time frame for such an event, one shaman told him it would happen like "the deepening of twilight."


130 posted on 02/11/2007 6:39:07 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: SunkenCiv

PING

my above post


131 posted on 02/11/2007 6:59:50 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Quix
thanks.

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132 posted on 02/11/2007 7:26:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Anymore it is silly to make claims about who the first people in America were. We will never know when we have “found” the earliest Americans.


133 posted on 01/04/2008 1:41:17 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Porterville
As someone already mentioned, apparently no one is suggesting that these Amerindian civilizations (Olmecs, Aztecs, Incas, etc) were originated by Australians, since key evidence for an African/Australian settlement is exactly craniofacial differences from these people. This evidence also suggests that they didn't last long, possibly that they were killed by Asians or were "diluted" by marrying with them, with the possibility of specially evident remnants on the far south.

Not that what you pointed would be the real problem, though. The expectation that Australian aboriginals should be more technologically advanced if Amerindian civilizations descends from them assumes that technology/culture isn't something passed on by its own non-genetic means, but rather that it's intrinsic of a population and would promptly pop up out of their foreheads.

As if would be reasonable to expect that if we take a bunch of people from some country and drop them in some island in the middle of nowhere with their body clothes, a few years after we would find that they just reinvented a miniature version of their original country, with all the technology and culture that they had; as if all the inventions and achievements of a population were somehow inherently known by any individual pertaining to that population.

The genetical/mutational basis of the so called “inventions”, perhaps. Maybe with some retroviral transmission to explain the odd fact that not only descendants of an individual inventor can actually build the invention, that other people apparently “learn” to build and how it works. What is thought to be “teaching” perhaps is just some social gathering that really serve only to promote viral transmission of “culture”, not the so called “cultural” transmission.

The opposite is also true; perhaps some Sheldrakian telepathic field hinders the departed populations, anywhere in the world they may be, from acquiring new knowledge not known by the people that still is at the population's birthplace.



The reality is that it is perfectly possible that a new populational settlement could differ technologically/culturally dramatically from the original population.

134 posted on 04/27/2008 2:16:17 PM PDT by lt. Columbo
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136 posted on 09/19/2008 1:38:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: blam

Wow...I never saw this. Have they ever done DNA tests on the Tierra del Fuegans to see if they are indeed related to Aussie aborigines?


137 posted on 04/30/2009 8:06:15 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Who ever thought we would long for the days of the Clinton administration...)
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"Wow...I never saw this. Have they ever done DNA tests on the Tierra del Fuegans to see if they are indeed related to Aussie aborigines?"

I don't know.

When Alexander von Humboldt was in the area around 1800, he said he encountered two different people. One was short and stocky and made their living from the sea and wore few clothes.(I was reminded of Eskimos)

The other was tall, lanky and made their living on the land and wore animal skin clothes.

138 posted on 04/30/2009 9:52:37 PM PDT by blam
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blam’s a catastrophist, sez here.


139 posted on 11/16/2009 7:53:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Porterville

What do you think their motive might be?


140 posted on 05/19/2012 6:35:30 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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