ATF Agents Raid Local Business (They are at it again!)

kirotv ^ | 6/17/03 | kirotv

[El Laton Caliente]

REDMOND, Wash. -- ATF agents stormed into an Eastside business early this morning -- and they were tight lipped about what they're hunting for.

They're still there tonight -- packing up many boxes of evidence.

ATF agents say this is just routine enforcement -- but it looks like much more.

It's all happening in Redmond, Redmond Police are on the scene helping with traffic and security.

Sources tell us that it's the makings of serious weapons that spurred this raid."

"Next thing I know there was ATF people all over the place," said eyewitness Gary Wilson.

Those agents zeroed in on this place -- in a Redmond industrial park.

We've learned it belongs to a business called P-W Arms Incorporated -- that deals in ammunition.

A man who doesn't want to be identified says he's seen piles of old ammo inside.

"Enough to fill a couple of 48 foot trailers -- maybe two or three," he said.

ATF agents, most of them undercover, came prepared for a big haul.

"There was probably a hundred of those officers here - and they swarmed in and evidently there was 6 of these trucks lined up in the street waiting," said John Bovee.

All day they've been hauling crates out of the business. Sources tell us what they found here is guns -- imported in separate pieces so they're legal -- but the parts can be put together to create illegal assault rifles.

Officially -- ATF won't say much at all.

"Only thing I can say right now is that we have an ongoing investigation," said Matt Horace, ATF agent.

The number of agents is large -- the stacks of evidence keep growing -- and the work doesn't seem to be slowing down. Still, ATF insists this is a routine enforcement action-- and people shouldn't worry.

"There's no imminent threat to public safety and we'll be here as long as it takes to conduct our investigation," Horace said.

So far agents have been on the scene about 8 hours. Again, ATF officials won't confirm what this is all about.

But a source tells us this raid is not in connection with a large crime ring or terrorism

[Joe Brower]

Must be close to budget-hearings time.

[DoughtyOne]

That was my thinking too. I'll have to be honest with you though, after Waco I realized the FBI wasn't much better than the BATF, if at all.

Both agencies soiled themselves during that fiasco. I'm not exhonerating anyone from the justifiable criticism they deserve, including the Davidians, but as a law enforcement agency you have to conduct yourself in a professional above reproach manner. Sadly, I don't think either agency came even close.

Koresh may have been a nut, that doesn't give government agencies the right to act nutty.

[DoughtyOne]

Yep, better put your flame retardent pajamas on.

[Centurion2000]

Because the ATF ihas practically no oversight, they declared 7.62X39 AP and 7.62 NATO (.308) AP as "pistol" ammunition.

If they can find ONE example of a pistol that uses the AP rifle ammo they will declare the ENTIRE type of ammuniition handgun ammo

[Abe Froman]

"There's no imminent threat to public safety and we'll be here as long as it takes to conduct our investigation," Horace said.


There IS an imminent threat to public LIBERTY whenever the BATF does anything.

[in the Arena]

Sounds like a job for the Tyranny Response Team...there is one in Washington State.

Washington State TRT"

[Sparta]

The FBI stood up and said that they did not want the ATF agents because when you mix polluted water with good water, you get polluted water.

Thanks for the laugh of the day.

[Blood of Tyrants]

You can get a barrel for a Thompson Contender in practically any caliber you want. For some reason, the ATF hasn't outlawed .30-06 AP ammo.

Yet.

Buy all you can afford.

[drypowder]

BATF = US Gestapo. How did the German Gestapo get dismantled? Sadly, the BATF is here to stay.

[Henrietta]

Kewl. Where can we buy this?

[Washington_minuteman]

"Officially -- [B]ATF won't say much at all."

Of course they are tight-lipped. It takes time to compose a credible-sounding collection of lies and disinformation ...

[Henrietta]

ping to read whole thread

[eno_]

Koresh may have been a nut...

There are a lot of odd people in this world, and only a very very small percentage are dangerous. It's a very open question whether Branch Davidians were all that nutty. "Branch Davidian" mean they are a splinter group of Seventh Day Adventists. Ooooooo, that sounds dangerous! Better burn them!

What next? Surrounding charismatic Lutheran sects with tanks?

[Blood of Tyrants]

It was sort of the pot calling the kettle black, wasn't it?

[Sparta]

Yep. BTW: Isn't the ATF now in the Department of Homeland Security?

[Republicus2001]

how many citizens did they kill?

[eno_]

I'm no expert on guns, but I have seen enough news about new infantrymans' personal arms that high velocity and AP capability are key to these weapons. And if RKBA is understood to mean citizens can get whatever an infantryman would usually carry - WTF! It sounds like this ban is on VERY dubious constitutional ground.

[decimon]

The BATF ceased to be a legitimate federal agency at Waco.

Didn't Reagan, well before the Waciaso, call ATF a rogue agency that should be disbanded?

[ezo4]

Interesting Article. There seems to be a rash of shut downs and shop closures in the area lately

As of December, the ATF had recommended eight license revocations in the past three years in a region that includes about 6,800 gun dealers in Washington, Idaho, Alaska, Oregon, Hawaii and Guam. It also issued 31 warning letters, held 17 warning conferences and recommended that 50 license applicants be turned down. Twenty-eight licensees voluntarily surrendered their licenses after ATF investigations.

[OldCorps]

since when did being a nut mean the BATF can kill you?

Hint: When the media stooges start calling your house a "compound," you had better watch out.