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ATF Agents Raid Local Business (They are at it again!)
kirotv ^ | 6/17/03 | kirotv

Posted on 06/18/2003 7:51:38 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente

REDMOND, Wash. -- ATF agents stormed into an Eastside business early this morning -- and they were tight lipped about what they're hunting for.

They're still there tonight -- packing up many boxes of evidence.

ATF agents say this is just routine enforcement -- but it looks like much more.

It's all happening in Redmond, Redmond Police are on the scene helping with traffic and security.

Sources tell us that it's the makings of serious weapons that spurred this raid."

"Next thing I know there was ATF people all over the place," said eyewitness Gary Wilson.

Those agents zeroed in on this place -- in a Redmond industrial park.

We've learned it belongs to a business called P-W Arms Incorporated -- that deals in ammunition.

A man who doesn't want to be identified says he's seen piles of old ammo inside.

"Enough to fill a couple of 48 foot trailers -- maybe two or three," he said.

ATF agents, most of them undercover, came prepared for a big haul.

"There was probably a hundred of those officers here - and they swarmed in and evidently there was 6 of these trucks lined up in the street waiting," said John Bovee.

All day they've been hauling crates out of the business. Sources tell us what they found here is guns -- imported in separate pieces so they're legal -- but the parts can be put together to create illegal assault rifles.

Officially -- ATF won't say much at all.

"Only thing I can say right now is that we have an ongoing investigation," said Matt Horace, ATF agent.

The number of agents is large -- the stacks of evidence keep growing -- and the work doesn't seem to be slowing down. Still, ATF insists this is a routine enforcement action-- and people shouldn't worry.

"There's no imminent threat to public safety and we'll be here as long as it takes to conduct our investigation," Horace said.

So far agents have been on the scene about 8 hours. Again, ATF officials won't confirm what this is all about.

But a source tells us this raid is not in connection with a large crime ring or terrorism


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; batf; guncontrol
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To: archy
Shears waved a federal voucher at reporters signed by Senator Edward Kennedy, a payment of $10,000 to Shears for services rendered as an informant to narcotics agents and the IRS." 9

I wonder if these are the same guys the Democrats hire to work on airplanes.

81 posted on 06/18/2003 1:56:41 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: El Gato
Thanks. I wasn't following them in those days and appreciate the comments.
82 posted on 06/18/2003 2:27:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: eskimo
to threats against ones very survival

Please explain how your survival is threatened. Or is this hyperbolic response also Pavlovian?

83 posted on 06/18/2003 3:14:11 PM PDT by verity
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To: archy
...when I hear the thunder of hooves, I usually try to suspect horses rather than Zebras...

You know, when I read that it suddenly occurred to me that there are some Freepers who'd hear hooves and suspect demons....

84 posted on 06/18/2003 3:25:08 PM PDT by Grut
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To: superloser
Remember, the gun shop that sold the Bushmaster to the Beltway Sniper is in Washington state.

And you got this inside information from whom?
The last that I have heard is that the rifle was "may" have been stolen.

85 posted on 06/18/2003 3:40:09 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: Grut
You know, when I read that it suddenly occurred to me that there are some Freepers who'd hear hooves and suspect demons....

Well, maybe if they hear thundering cloven hooves....


86 posted on 06/18/2003 4:07:03 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: husky ed
The gun shop it came from is around Tacoma, WA.
Redmond isn't too far away.
Stolen or not, it came from Washington state.

Of course, they could just be checking out Microsoft :)
87 posted on 06/18/2003 4:10:56 PM PDT by superloser
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To: EricOKC
The 'time' was yesterday. However, today could work if enough citizens were willing to arm-up and present themselves as a barrier to tyranny that few government employees think they are capable of.

A million or so nontaxpayer funded badboys could put some serious stains in the pants of the tax funded badboys. The numbers alone would be mindnumbing. The key ingredients are organization, motivation, and a spine (along with a love of liberty).

This would constitute 'A well regulated milita'. That none exists in most men's minds today (for various reasons) represents the greatest threat to the 'security of the free state".

Every year toys are gathered by men on motorcycles for needy children before Christmas at our state capitol. What's so desperatly needed is a bi-annual gathering of men with guns to demonstrate to those with a notion to tread upon our liberties that they've got their work cut out for them. Our strength is in numbers and always will be.

89 posted on 06/18/2003 5:43:41 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Because the ATF ihas practically no oversight, they declared 7.62X39 AP and 7.62 NATO (.308) AP as "pistol" ammunition.

That's because there are pistols chambered in those calibers. If someone started chambering a pistol in 50 BMG, they would probably outlaw surplus AP ammo in that clliber too. It doesn't make any difference to them that those calibers of 'pistols' are about as likely to be used in a crime against a cop in a vest as is a muzzle loading cannon .

90 posted on 06/18/2003 6:00:36 PM PDT by templar
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To: El Laton Caliente
Now that we have a Republican Congress and Republican President, the ATF is still doing the same old crap, and even getting more money.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

91 posted on 06/18/2003 6:02:52 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: El Laton Caliente
The artical says that they are after "assualt weapons" HOWEVER, the same parts can be assembled into [batf] LEGAL semi-automatics.

I was under the impression that all the parts of a full auto gun except the reciever were legal to own, import, and sell (as long as you don't also own a receiver that they could be potentially used in). They are advertised widely on the internet and in various gun publications.

I remember a few years back when a bunch of legaly imported AK47's were found to be full auto recievers that had just had the semi auto parts installed (some extra holes drilled in the receiver or something). The ATF recalled the guns and tracked down the purchasers of all the ones that had been sold. Wonder if this could be something similar?

92 posted on 06/18/2003 6:11:24 PM PDT by templar
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To: decimon
Thirty years ago you'd expect that opinion to come from the fringes of left or right.

Thirty years ago when you saw a picture of someone wearing a ski mask and carying a machine gun you'd think it was a picture of a big time criminal. Now you just sort of assume it's a law enforcment agent of some kind.

93 posted on 06/18/2003 6:17:49 PM PDT by templar
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To: Joe Brower

"There's no imminent threat to public safety--no, wait. . .there is, and it's us."--Bullying Aggressors Taking Firearms

94 posted on 06/18/2003 6:36:21 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: DoughtyOne
The BATF is one step away from being the SS and I'm not convinced at times they aren't.

I'm inclined to agree with you. They recently raided all the indian smoke shops here in Washington state. What infuriated me is that fact that our asinine governor couldn't get his own state people or tax officials to keep enforce the revenue and taxes missed because of a double standard law. So he called D.C. and got the SS to do his dirty work for him. What makes this infuriating to me is only ONE news source (a TV station in Spokane) in the state reported the story, and they were quickly GAGGED under the guise of "ongoing investigation". The streets are much safer now that tribal nations have been cut off from the smoke suppliers .

95 posted on 06/18/2003 6:51:37 PM PDT by ProudEagle
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To: superloser
Remember, the gun shop that sold the Bushmaster to the Beltway Sniper is in Washington state.

It wasn't "sold". The box for the rifle was still on the shelf. The dealer didn't know the rifle had left the shop. No record of sale. More like a theft and a failure to report the missing inventory.

96 posted on 06/18/2003 7:23:44 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ProudEagle
Was it just regular tobacco? If so, sheesh! Can't they do "anything" the easy way?
97 posted on 06/18/2003 7:29:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: templar
Click on this link for a .50BMG pistol. Ask and ye shall receive.
98 posted on 06/18/2003 7:30:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: El Gato
One of the best things i ever saw on a t shirt:

Alchohol
Tobacco
Firearms

Who's bringing the chips?
99 posted on 06/18/2003 7:31:36 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: ProudEagle
"The BATF is one step away from being the SS and I'm not convinced at times they aren't.."

Everybody talks about what happened to Randy Weaver and the Waco incident. But for me, the most chilling realization of the above was the kidnapping of a young, happy, innocent boy from his family ...Elian Gonzalez

by black clad, paramilitary, jackbooted thugs who were a danger to the community.

I have the utmost respect for the courage and professionalism of local law enforcement. However, at the federal level, many of their agents are a threat to the community. They should not be trusted to carry a badge, much less a firearm.
100 posted on 06/18/2003 7:43:18 PM PDT by OldCorps
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