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A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?
Toogood Reports ^ | July 8 | Lowell Phillips

Posted on 07/08/2003 7:08:39 AM PDT by F_Cohen

Is It A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?

By Lowell Phillips Tuesday July 8, 2003

Toogood Reports

"This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Don't start hammering out the hate mail just yet. Those aren't my words, but those of a bona fide "gay rights" activist. Amid the orgy of celebration (pun intended) following the Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, striking down sodomy laws, Molly McKay, spokeswoman for Marriage Equality California proclaimed,

"This month has been filled with hope... This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Few on either side of what remains of the ideological debate could argue.

It must also be a glorious and beautiful time to sit on the imperial U.S. Supreme Court. Honestly now, could there be a better gig? Granted, getting there is no simple feat. But once you have accumulated just enough gray hair, paid homage to the miscarriages of those who have preceded you and aced the litmus tests, you are set for life and free to indulge in philosophical flights of fancy.

Sure, the job description mentions something called "The Constitution" and adherence to it, but you know that the notion of it being a "living document" entitles you to make it whatever you want it to be. Comically, some of your colleges, one is a black man who's a traitor to his race, another a spiteful Italian, harp about this thing called "original intent" and prattle on about "the Founding Gentlemen," " the Drafting Fathers" or something like that, thus preventing them from making their own rules, as others have. Whatever they're called, they certainly could not know what they meant as well as you do.

The recent decisions of the high court have again proven that it is not a forum within which the survival of our republic is assured, but rather one where two-dimensional, feel-good social thinking outweighs codified constitutional safeguards. Indeed its actions show that our once sacred document no longer lives. The illusion of life is maintained, however, by regularly applied swats and kicks to its hollow carcass.

The Second Amendment "right of the people to keep and bear arms" to some, though succinctly written, never existed. And if it did, it could not possibly have been expected to apply in an era when modern weaponry would pose such a dire threat to the collective good. But when it was written, corporations and ad hoc associations could easily match the firepower of the federal government (see: The Whisky Rebellion of 1794). Whatever the power of modern weaponry today, such groups could not possibly hold out for long against the U.S. government, or a local police force for that matter. As such, the "threat" to the collective good today is miniscule as compared to the time of drafting of the Constitution.

But those were barbaric times and government has evolved into a benign servant of people and can assure that criminals will never be armed and roaming the streets. Right?

Funds extorted from the American people and then returned as an entitlement opiate, along with the whims of the activist judges, have been instrumental in rendering the Tenth Amendment meaningless. It clearly states,

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

But very little remains outside the purview of the federal government, and as such this represents nothing more than a quaint reminder of a time when this country was something called "a republic".

The concept of "diversity" represents a "compelling state interest", assuming erroneously that the term, as it relates to public policy, is definable. But whatever it means, the decision in Grutter vs. Bollinger affirms that it trumps the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. While the University of Michigan and all publicly funded institutions are asked not to be so obvious as to assign a specific point structure, they may certainly continue to favor some over others based on skin color.

The distortions of the meanings behind the Constitution are sweeping, and though never stated outright, the assumption must be that the Drafter's intentions were to deconstruct their entire culture.

Not only were they intellectually enlightened, the Founders were also largely pious men, which despite modern interpretations are not mutually exclusive. In a step to assure the free practice of religion and to prevent the establishment of an American version of the Anglican Church, they spelled out in the First Amendment,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Yet somehow the courts interpret this to mean that any and every reference to, or expression of, faith is prohibited in the public square. Moreover, the aforementioned abandonment of the Tenth Amendment and near universal distribution of federal dollars insure that no municipality, however tiny, or faith-based organization, however benign, is unaffected by this misrepresentation.

But the truest illustration of the Founders assumed desire to lay waste to all they knew is the dogged recognition of the constitutionally unenumerated "right to privacy". Whether this alleged right is derived from a creative reading of the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th or 14th Amendment, or a combination of them, the result is to place all morality on an unstable foundation.

"Good," the response often is. Following the Supreme Courts ruling in Lawrence vs. Texas, Democrat Rep. James P. Moran of Virginia commented,

"The government has no business regulating or legislating morality, and it certainly has no business interfering with this very private action between consenting adults..."

There is nothing remotely unusual about the statement. Such sentiments pass for acumen, but are nothing of the sort. On the contrary, this is screaming stupidity. To suggest that law, any law, can be enacted apart from morality is ludicrous. It is no more possible than attempting to breath without inhaling. They are one and the same.

No matter if it is found in the text of the Constitution or born of the legislature, when broken down to its basic components law ends up being a "because it's right" or "because it's wrong" issue. And conclusions of right and wrong are moral judgments. Period. Few would argue that rape should be permitted, but when put to a series of "whys", it comes down to "because it's wrong". The same holds for any crime.

Writing for the majority in Lawrence vs. Texas, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy proclaimed,

"Freedom extends beyond spatial bounds. Liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression and certain intimate conduct... Adults may choose to enter upon this relationship in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons... The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime..."

Noted by many "intolerant" right-wingers is that, while directed at decriminalizing homosexual sodomy, this leaves the door wide open for endless actions that can be said to fall under the manufactured right to privacy.

Although ridiculed, vilified and generally ignored by the politically correct intelligentsia, Justice Antonin Scalia responded with the undeniable,

"States continue to prosecute all sorts of crimes by adults in matters pertaining to sex: prostitution, adult incest, adultery, obscenity, and child pornography...This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review..."

The notion of a right to privacy, entangled with an increasing creative application of the "Equal Protection Clause" and the vacuous term "consenting adults" sweeps the moral, and thereby legal, underpinnings out from beneath American culture, human civilization, and to a great extent natural law. If the thinking behind rulings like Lawrence vs. Texas and Roe vs. Wade is in keeping with the Constitution, exactly where is the rationale for forbidding homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, polygamy, bestiality, drug use, adult incest, prostitution and child pornography?

It does not exist.

The term "consenting adults" is itself a clear statement of moral judgment. An age at which consent can legally be given is set according to what is considered morally appropriate, and has no definitive connection to emotional, intellectual or physical maturity.

The idea that what is now considered "statutory rape" or even "pedophilia" could ever be legitimized is far from the minds of average Americans. But so too were thoughts that homosexuality would be deemed "normal", that "gender" would be a subjective concept, and that homosexual "marriage" would be seriously contemplated to Americans not long ago.

The malleability of modern moral standards is already setting the philosophical groundwork. Throughout the media children are increasingly objectified sexually. Contraception and pregnancy termination have established sex in our emerging reality as nothing more than a recreational activity. Instruction is given in all variations with public dollars in schools, along with contraceptives and abortion on demand, free from restrictions of parental oversight. And parenting itself on the subject of sex is more and more often summed up in the phrase, "well, they're going to do it anyway".

Children are increasingly asserting their independence through the courts, challenging dress codes, drug testing, locker searches and winning on alleged constitutional grounds. Considering the intellectual acrobatics necessary to find a "right to abortion" in the Constitution, a conclusion that ages of consent are arbitrary and that denying children the right to give consent constitutes a violation of the Equal Protection Clause should be easy; perhaps not today, or next year but a decade or two from now.

Noted champions of the "gay rights" movement have for years romanticized "man-boy" love in literature, like Paul Russell in his book "The Coming Storm," David Leavitt in "Martin Bauman; or, A Sure Thing," Agustin Gomez-Arcos in "The Carnivorous Lamb," and others. Such works are published by major companies and available at your local bookstore.

Much as the acceptance of homosexuality by the psychiatric profession and its removal from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973 was a watershed in the mainstreaming of this "lifestyle," so too will it be for those who wish to engage in sex with minors, euphemistically referred to as "intergenerational intimacy."

As far back as the mid-1980's experts like Dr. David Finkelhor had concluded that,

"[A] body of opinion and research has emerged in recent years which is trying hard to vindicate homosexual pedophilia."

In 1998 the American Psychological Association (APA) published the essay "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples" which concluded that sexual contact between children and adults was not necessarily harmful, decried the "indiscriminate use" of terms like "child sexual abuse," "victim" and "perpetrator," and that "a willing encounter with positive reactions would be labeled simply adult-child sex." Mainstream commentators like Andrew Sullivan embraced the thinking and Judith Levine mirrored it in her 2002 publication of "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex," with a foreword by former Clinton Surgeon General Joycelyn M. Elders.

Mental health professionals attending the May 19, 2003 convention of the American Psychiatric Association in San Francisco proposed removing several categories of mental illness from the DSM, including exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism, as well as pedophilia. CNS News reported on the event and on Dr. Frederick Berlin, from the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital who argued that adults that feel a sexual attraction to children should not be made to feel shame and was quoted as saying,

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children..."

Linda Ames Nicolosi of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) protested and concluded, as any clear thinker should,

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?...It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

With the ever-expanding, extra-constitutional right to privacy, the inventive application of the Equal Protection Clause, in conjunction with our moral devolution spearheaded by the psychiatric profession, adult-child sex may one day be legal. With the discovery by our learned Supreme Court Justices of the "right to abortion" and now the "right to sodomy," the day may not be far away when sex with children is considered "fundamental" and "constitutional." And when that day comes, ask we might, but it's doubtful that G-d will any longer bless America.


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To: Protagoras
I'll answer it. The age of consent nationwide should be no lower than 18.
141 posted on 07/08/2003 1:40:44 PM PDT by Houmatt (If it is about what goes on in the bedroom, why doesn't it stay there? And leave our kids alone!)
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To: Protagoras
The SC has not "allowed" homosexual sex,

They didn't? Then what the hell was Lawrence about?

142 posted on 07/08/2003 1:44:09 PM PDT by Houmatt (If it is about what goes on in the bedroom, why doesn't it stay there? And leave our kids alone!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

143 posted on 07/08/2003 1:50:41 PM PDT by Polycarp (When a mother can kill her own child, what is left of the West to save?" - Mother Theresa)
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To: F_Cohen
Funds extorted from the American people and then returned as an entitlement opiate, along with the whims of the activist judges, have been instrumental in rendering the Tenth Amendment meaningless.

Amen, brother, except I don't hear any objections from your corner
as Ashcroft's forces roll unimpeded into California and Oregon in
search of homegrown herb or assisted suicide.  Now the Tenth
Amendment is suddenly meaningless, as if its rape and pillage
hasn't be going on with your blessing for the last forty years.  

The US is ready for boarding.  Do you want whining or nonwhining?
144 posted on 07/08/2003 1:51:24 PM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
The earliest reference I can find online so far is from an archive of Focus on the Family newsletters from 1993 at http://associate.com/ministry_files/Other_Electronic_Texts/Focus_On_The_Family/fofn9401.shtml
145 posted on 07/08/2003 2:16:59 PM PDT by Polycarp (When a mother can kill her own child, what is left of the West to save?" - Mother Theresa)
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To: Polycarp
Thanks.
146 posted on 07/08/2003 3:09:53 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Houmatt
I did not say that. The push for the "normalization" of the sexual abuse of children is happening; in spite of Lawrence, not because of it.

Pardon me for commenting in context. Whether you said so specifically or not, the whole gist of this article is about how Lawrence is going to lead us down the road to pedophilia. And that's baloney.

147 posted on 07/08/2003 3:19:32 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: F_Cohen
Tough fight for whoever wants to repeal stauatory rape laws. Stautatory rape laws enjoy one of the largest majorities of approval and support. Age of consent (AOC) has been steadily RISING for the past 100 years in all states. The recent brouhaha over child sexual abuse by Catholic priests is only the tip of the iceberg of public sentiment on this issue.
148 posted on 07/08/2003 6:12:49 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: RaceBannon
When the US was founded it was not illegal for an adult to have sex with a 12 year old (or even as young as 9 in some of the original states). Since that time, AOC has been rising steadily. It is now 18 in many states.
149 posted on 07/08/2003 6:22:44 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
I wont even believe 12, let alone 9 years old.

Are you going by the false assumption that we all married by age 16?

Check your history, that is a myth, marriages that young were rarest of rare

either way, even if you are correct, those were MAN/WOMAN marriges sex, not someone buggering your child.

Better do some more looking up what the laws were, in Ct, it was punishable by death to not worship the God of the Bible too, in the early 1600's. So, I have serious doubts sex with someone under the age of puberty was legal.
150 posted on 07/08/2003 7:50:48 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Clint N. Suhks
How old are you? Are you deliberately obtuse or are you really that childish and stupid?

What the hell is the "liberaltarian" nonsense about? What does that have to do with me?

You think the age of consent is 35. Go sell it to the forum.

Dopey kids,,,aren't there any video games for you to play? Why fool around on an adult forum when you could be out ripping off songs for your mp3 player from the internet. I knew this would happen when napster closed. Dumb kids................

151 posted on 07/08/2003 9:22:03 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Polycarp; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
Ping.
152 posted on 07/08/2003 9:23:23 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Houmatt
Then what the hell was Lawrence about?

The limits of government, didn't you comprehend the post?

153 posted on 07/08/2003 9:23:52 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Houmatt
The age of consent nationwide should be no lower than 18.

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion. Now go tell the dopey kid who thinks it should be 35. First he said there should be none, now it's 35,,go figure.

154 posted on 07/08/2003 9:25:50 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: af_vet_rr
Does anybody here seriously think that the SC would allow sex with children, if it somehow made it all the way there

The Europenas have been liberalising their child protection laws for years. This SCOTUS looks to Europe for guidance on matters of mores when ruling against states in America that are guaranteed, supposedly, the tenth amendment.

Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me.

As evidence I offer Roe and Doe. Roe originally allowed abortion in the first trimester. Doe expanded that to killing them on the way out.

And now we have learned men such as Singer at Princeton who wants to extend that to two years after exiting the womb and Watson who has decided that the Nazi's were right after all vis a vis eugenics.

All things are possible in a world where moral absolutes have gone the way of the Pony Express.

155 posted on 07/08/2003 9:29:27 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Houmatt
What is your point by asking this?

You seem to think that laws among men should be from the ten commandments. Yes or no? If not, why not?

Do you also think morality is relative?

Huh? You been playing follow the leader with straw men? It's anyone's guess where you would come up with an idea like that. Kangeroos have nothing on you when it comes to leaping.

156 posted on 07/08/2003 9:30:12 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: jwalsh07
Heck, does anyone think Peter Singer would deny an animal the right to have sex with a human?


157 posted on 07/08/2003 9:35:19 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Protagoras
Just answer the question.
158 posted on 07/08/2003 9:36:37 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Which question dopey? Many of your little minions have been asking me stupid questions. But when it comes to stupid questions, you are the king, so ask away.
159 posted on 07/08/2003 10:05:47 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
How old are you?

Probabaly older than you and one who has children.

Are you deliberately obtuse or are you really that childish and stupid?

About what exactly? You’re resorting to the usual name-calling liberals’ do when they can’t defend their position, thanks for not disappointing.

What the hell is the "liberaltarian" nonsense about?

That would be liberals macerating as Conservatives.

What does that have to do with me?

Your flawed hypocrisy and please don’t ask me to answer that again for the umpteenth time.

You think the age of consent is 35. Go sell it to the forum.

I was answering YOUR question, not the forum’s. I thought you’d have some logic for asking it in the context of your assertions to prove me wrong, what if I said 12?

Dopey kids,,,aren't there any video games for you to play? Why fool around on an adult forum when you could be out ripping off songs for your mp3 player from the internet. I knew this would happen when napster closed. Dumb kids................

Oh please, why waste your time even typing such garbage…grow up!

160 posted on 07/08/2003 10:08:08 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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