Minutemen of the Third Reich: History of the Nazi Werwolf Guerrilla Movement

History Today ^ | October 2000 | Perry Biddiscombe

[risk]

Thanks, I like your perspective. The common enemy is statism, no matter what its form or the terms the people who crave its power use to beguile their happless victims and enablers.

[PGalt]

Very relevant. Thanks for your post.

[King Prout]

Minutemen?? Radical Right???
hoo - where to start?

[King Prout]

I see we are on the same page.

[Destro]

Excellent speller--horrible typist.

[Coop]

Interesting stuff. Thanks

I take some comfort in reading this, because it sounds as if the Werewolves were better organized than the groups in Iraq. Yet they didn't slow history down one bit, thank God. Helps us keep the faith while continuing to pray for our troops.

[Former Proud Canadian]

Good catch. Was there any resistance to US occupation in Japan?

[Congressman Billybob]

You are wrong on a number of points. I'll mention only a few. Eisenhower temporarily believed in the "redoubt in Bavaria" theory, but abandoned it based on better intelligence, just prior to the collapse of Germany. The Werewolves did exist (just not controlled from Bavaria) and did conduct attacks in all four sectors of German occupation -- American, French, British and Russian.

The facts on the ground of German occupation in 1945-46 are nearly identical in all respects to Iraqi occupation in 1003-2004. The number of Americans involved, the casualty rates, the rates of sabotage, the rates of attacks on "collaborators" are all statistical matches between Germany and Iraq.

You are correct that Japan does not apply. However, that is because they revered the Emperor, and McArthur (wisely) left the Emperor in place and the Emperor (wisely) urged no resistance to the occupation. Your question about Italy shows you've missed a few historical points. Much of Italy fell, in the last days, to Italian partisans, rather than Allied troops. It was Italians who hung Mussolini's body from a lamppost in Milan.

America has not attempted any "nation-building" in the last twenty years that was remotely comparable to Iraq, today. But it did do precisely that, under nearly identical circumstances, in Germany in 1945-46. You need to read some more history books from WW II.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, now up FR, "Sixteen Little Words."

[Congressman Billybob]

You can find on the Net the official history of VII Corps (Patton's unit). The attacks in its area were carried out by Germans as young as 12. About half were Werewolves. The other half were unorganized, some by people who infiltrated into Germany from other nations precisely to engage in attacks on Americans.

The parallels between that history and what is happening in Iraq today (including the fact that Hitler was not proven to be dead until December, 1945, and was widely believed to be alive and still leading the resistance) will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. Iraq is nothing new. We've been there, done that, succeeded -- before.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, now up FR, "Sixteen Little Words."

[demnomo]

What is with these historical revisionists that REFUSE to understand that NAZI means National Socialist!!!

Exactly. I love to see the reaction from some of my liberal aquaintences when I point that out. (Usually after they have accused a Republican of being a Nazi.) The libs go crazy. It's really funny to watch their deranged denial.

I also point out that Hitler and Stalin signed a pact in which much of the wording stated how similar their governments were.

Of course, Hitler betrayed and attacked Russia and Russia had to rely heavily on the evil capitalist Allies for money, arms, supplies and support. Without the US/British help, the USSR would have fallen to Hitler and Japan according to most military historians. Until the Germans invaded the Motherland and rallied around their leaders in self-defense, the Russian economy was in a shambles and Stalin and his thugs were extremely unpopular due to the murderous purges and mismanagement of the 1930's.

What most people also don't know is that, according to some documents found in the former USSR archives, Stalin also had hopes of invading and/or undermining Germany eventually and adding it to it's "purer" socialist empire. No honor amongst thieves...

[Angelus Errare]

No, in large part because the people who were most likely to resist the occupation (Shinto imperialists) were prevented from doing so by the order of the Emperor, who is the descendant of the sun goddess and God-on-Earth in Shinto theology. If your god tells you to throw in the towel, that pretty much decided matters for the Japanese people.

[dljordan]

I was just gonna make that point. Many of the members of the SA were previously in the commie brigades and switched sides. These guys were real thugs and the people on either side of the political fence in our country use the term NAZI too casually to refer to their opponents.

[Consort]

Werwolf!
The History of the National Socialist Guerrilla Movement, 1944-1946.

[Live free or die]

It is ridiculous and insulting to do what the headline does...tie the blessed memory of the Minutemen to the memory of a bunch of terrorist-thug Nazi losers.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read he headline. There can be no comparison at all.

[Destro]

You are way wrong. The Werewolves were no where near the abilities of Iraqi resistance and their potency has been exaggerated beyond the historical record.

[rmlew]

I was not aware taht targeting active and former memebrs of teh SS adn Wermacht represented terrorism.

[Ohioan]

The Nazis weren't 'radical-right'; they were radical socialists.

Absolutely, right down to the soles of their feet. Indeed, the tactic of indoctrinating their youth into the Hitler youth, was simply a manifestation of the tactics of other German Socialist groups, that had earlier established similar youth organizations, to indoctrinate the youth into Socialist dogma.

See The Lies Of Socialism

[Destro]

You are talking about the Jewish Avengers? Trying to poison the water supply to kill thousands of German civilians whose govt has surrendered is an act of terrorisim.

My attitude can best be summed up with the Chris Rock joke about OJ. "I do not condone what OJ did...but I understand"

[Destro]

The Nazis were both NATIONALISTS and SOCIALISTS.

They were Right Wing and Left Wing all in one.

[Ohioan]

There is no way that you can suggest that the Nazis were rightwing. They had no identification with the Monarchists or any rightwing group. Hitler openly advocated a "Classless, Casteless" Germany--pointedly attacking the old order.

Being a Nationalist does not say anything about where you are on the political spectrum. To see a graphic representation of the Left/Right lineup: Political Spectrum.

William Flax