The Apostasy - Roger Keller, a former Presbyterian minister [OPEN]

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[restornu]

FAIR 2004 conference talk by Roger Keller, a former Presbyterian minister who converted to the LDS Church, speaks about authority and religion. He speaks about the greatness of the Bible, and the great things about other faiths.

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Apostasy 1

Apostasy 2

Apostasy 3

Apostasy 4

Apostasy 5

[restornu]

A Bigot who is still trying to read another persons mind accusing them of not following the Word of God

[Tennessee Nana]

WHERE are the REST of the LDS brigade that RESTORNU pinged so early in this thread?
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NOW is the time for all good mormons to come to the aid of the paltry...

(Pitman’s Shorthand)

:)

[Tennessee Nana]

YOU ARE RESPONSABLE TO CHALLENGE YOUR OWN VIEWS AND THOUGHTS. THIS IS WHAT YOUR BELIEFS ARE BUILT ON.
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Ooooooooooooooooooooo

YELLING.......

Source ????

Scripture from The Bible only please...

[Godzilla]

Bigotry nothing more!

My, my resty, pretty harsh words, but AMPU amply backed up the statements with solid scripture. What say you about the following -

“... all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ.... in large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed the Unknown Gods.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 269, 374-375

Resty, are you willing to apply the same words to one of your Apostles? Looks like he wasn't the only one tearing down another's religion

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

Come on Resty, these are your prophets and apostles - are you willing to call them bigots for saying even worse in contrast to the truth you are reading here?

[Tennessee Nana]

Resty,

Why do you have ((”I Will Tell You in Your Mind & in Your Heart, by the Holy Ghost” D&C 8:2)

as your tagline ????

Was Oliver Cowdery an ancestor of yours ????

[Tennessee Nana]

The Lord you know is largely based on the creeds created by men.
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AMPU is a mormon ????

[Tennessee Nana]

Boloney you can not read the hearts and minds of others natural man!
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We have no trouble reading yours

[Tennessee Nana]

A Bigot who is still trying to read another persons mind accusing them of not following the Word of God
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so a mormon would be ?????????

a BIGOT ???????????

[Tennessee Nana]

Those who know and Love the Lord would never engage in maligning anothers faith.
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That’s what the Christians keep saying about the mormons...

They dont love Jesus the Lord...

They keep maligning Christianity...

Why do the mormons do that ???

[restornu]

Those who are of the Lord focus on building up His Kingdom by magnifying and uplifting not seeking faultfinding backbitting, mocking, turning words etc.

Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

There is none of this in any of these post when bashing another faith!

Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

this is where the children of the Lord are to reside when walking among your neighbor

[Tennessee Nana]

Those who are of the Lord focus on building up His Kingdom by magnifying and uplifting

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Those are called CHRISTIANS...

[Tennessee Nana]

seeking faultfinding backbitting, mocking, turning words etc.
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Why do mormons do that ????

[Tennessee Nana]

Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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Dont you just love the Bible...

I cant get enough of the Bible...

But you didnt post ALL of the Fruits of the Spirit, Resty..

There are NINE listed...

Here ya go

:)

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galations 5:22, 23

And Paul also teaches on the Fruits of the Spirit in his letter to thge Ephesians...

Eph 5:9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

The whole passage on the Fruits of the Spirit...

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Eph 5:9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. Ephesians 5:9-17

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Ephesians 5:1-21

Well, let’s look at Joseph Smith in the light of those verses, shall we ???

Oh yes, we shalll...

1. LOVE...Joseph Smith hated Christians annd started a murderous group called Danites to kill Christians...No love there...

2. JOY...Joseph Smith committed adultery with more than 30 women and caused his wife Emma pain and suffering due to his cheatin’ RIGHT IN HER OWN HOUSE...No joy there

3. PEACE...Joseph Smith boasted he would be like Mohammad and force people to convert to mormonism at the point of a sword...No peace there

4. LONGSUFFERING...Joserph Smith was vengeful against innocent ppeople for imagined wrongs and plotted their distruction...No longsufferinbg there

5. GENTLENESS...Joseph Smith had an ugly temper and physically attaked other men and cursed a blue steak at people...No gentleness there

6. GOODNESS...Joseph Smith committed adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: (Hmmmm those are all the works of the flesh Gal 5:19-21) No goodness there...

7. FAITH...Joseph Smith had no faith in the God of the Bible...In fact John Taylor testified that he called out “IF THERE IS A GOD” after he had been shot up in the jail...No faith there

8. MEEKNESS...Joseph Smith boasted that he was more knowledgeable than any man, and greater than Jesus Christ...No meekness there...

9. TEMPERANCE..Joseph Smith did not restrain himself nor was moderate in anything...He indulged his lusts and appetites and passions for sex, money and power, plus booze, to the hilt until the day he died that ignoble death...No temperance there...

AGAINST SUCH THERE IS NO LAW...But Joseh Smith thought he was above God’s law and secular law...

It’s amazing how much we can learn fromm verses in The Bible...

[restornu]

This is endless foolishness, gossip, heresay and turning one’s words says about a soul who feels consoled tearing down anoth reveals in this person that they are shallow and bankrupt!

On top of that they are too dumb to even know what they are doing and will try to top to turn these words to fit their last post just digging a hole deeper of their stupidity!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

resty,

I notice you didn’t respond to a single verse I posted that
showed your claims were false. Instead, you “made it personal”, which is a violation of the forum rules. This was,
in fact, a non-answer.

ampu

[Tennessee Nana]

RM...

You deleted my post over on the other thread when I used Post # 274 as an example...

I chose to ignore the post and did not complain about it at the time...

Please look at the original here...

Thank you
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To: Tennessee Nana; Lurker

This is endless foolishness, gossip, heresay and turning one’s words says about a soul who feels consoled tearing down anoth reveals in this person that they are shallow and bankrupt!

On top of that they are too dumb to even know what they are doing and will try to top to turn these words to fit their last post just digging a hole deeper of their stupidity!

274 posted on Friday, January 23, 2009 11:27:37 PM by restornu
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[Religion Moderator]

I saw the reply post - which is clearly antagonistic. I didn't pull it as "making it personal" because it didn't address you personally but hypothetically.

Nevertheless, restornu, the reply was very thin-skinned. This is an open thread, thick skin is required. If this style of open debate disturbs you, then you should stay away from "open" threads.

[Tennessee Nana]

Thank you RM...

[Elsie]

This indicates you were using a question to set me up so you could put forth your own half true conclusion that you wanted to make.

Unless you have made a VOW not to reveal what you know; why do you persist in letting HALF-truths keep covering up the TRUTH of MORMONism?

Unless LDS Headquarters, based in SLC, has you on a very short leash, you are FREE, here on FreeRepublic, to post ANY truth you want.

Why do you ALLOW half-TRUTHS to win the day?

Please, Lurkers wanting the TRUTH of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints to be revealed are swallowing mere HALF-truths.

Don't you have an OBLIGATION to tell the TRUTH?

[Elsie]

Those who know and Love the Lord would never engage in maligning anothers faith.

Then you do NOT follow the example of Joseph Smith:

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”