Posted on 01/20/2009 11:36:14 AM PST by restornu
FAIR 2004 conference talk by Roger Keller, a former Presbyterian minister who converted to the LDS Church, speaks about authority and religion. He speaks about the greatness of the Bible, and the great things about other faiths.
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You PINGing the Christian bashers, Resty ??????
She just didn’t ping the mormon bashing liars.
From the book of mormon apostasy...
“the son of Jarom, down to Mormon, the writer of the last book, who “MANY HUNDERDS OF YEARS AFTER THE COMING OF CHRIST,” gave all these plates to his son Moroni....”
(So Mormon was an APOSTATE ???? So Moroni was an APOSTATE ???)
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mormons claim that in 1820 God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ visited Joseph Smith and told him that he "must join none" of the churches, "for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof'" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:18-19).
Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt wrote: "The gates of hell have prevailed and will continue to prevail over the Catholic Mother of Harlots, and over all her Protestant Daughters;...the apostate Catholic church, with all her popes and bishops, together with all her harlot daughters shall be hurled down to hell.. ." (Pamphlets by Orson Pratt, p.112).
The Mormon church makes claims that most other churches would not dare to make. Their third President John Taylor boasted: "...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
Joseph Fielding Smith, tenth president, maintained that the Mormons "are, notwithstanding our weaknesses, the best people in the world. I do not say this boastingly, for I believe that this truth is evident to all who are willing to observe for themselves. We are morally clean, in every way equal, and in many ways superior to any other people" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, p.236).
In the History of the Church (vol.7, p.287), Brigham Young even claimed that "Every spirit that confesses that Joseph Smith is a Prophet, that he lived and died a Prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true, is of God, and every spirit that does not is of anti-Christ."
• "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270
"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
• "President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene." (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).This prophecy was spoken by FLDS/LDS founder Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.
Deuteronomy 18:22 (King James Version) 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
From the book of mormon apostasy...
“The crucifixion of Christ was announced in the days of Nephi the second, by an earthquake, three days after which, the Lord hiinself descended out of heaven upon one of the chief cities, and exhibited his hands and his feet, with the prints of the nails, where he remained forty days, AND FOUND CHURCHES..”
Where are all these “churches today ???
Did they all APOSTASIZE ?????
Ping
Stay on topic none of what you think was said os in this video!
Roger R. Keller, The Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research (FAIR), 2004.
What do Latter-day Saints mean when claiming that there was an “apostasy” after the death of the New Testament Apostles? Are all other churches wrong and how do Latter-day Saints view the Bible? Why was a restoration needed? Dr. Keller offers some wonderful insights into these questions and many more in his presentation on the Great Apostasy.
The Windows Media Video (WMV) format also contains the presentation, “I Don’t Have a Testimony of the History of the Church” by Davis Bitton
Roger R. Keller is a professor of Church History and Doctrine at Brigham Young University, and a past Richard L. Evans Professor of Religious Understanding. He teaches courses on the religions of the world from a Latter-day Saint perspective. Dr. Keller grew up in Boulder, Colorado, in a Presbyterian home. He received his Bachelors of Music in voice performance from the University of Colorado, his Masters of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary, and his Ph.D. in biblical studies and 20th century Christian Theology from Duke University. He was ordained to the Presbyterian ministry in 1971 and held both teaching and pastoral positions in the years following. In 1982 he was called to be the Senior Pastor of the First Presbyterian Church in Mesa, Arizona, a community founded by the Latter-day Saints. He worked to bring understanding between persons of diverse religious traditions within the community and served on the regional board of the National Conference of Christians and Jews (now the National Conference for Community and Justice). In this latter capacity, he participated in evaluating and condemning anti-Mormon materials as being inaccurate and against the spirit of religious pluralism. As a result of his work with the Mormon community, he and his family became Latter-day Saints in 1986. He began teaching at Brigham Young University in the fall of that year.
Dr. Keller has co-authored a book entitled Religions of the World: A Latter-day Saint View and authored two others—one on interfaith dialogue and the other on the Book of Mormon. In addition, he has written a variety of articles and presented a number of academic papers, many dealing with inter-faith issues. His service to the Church includes Gospel Doctrine Teacher, Scoutmaster, member of two high councils, member of a high priest group leadership, a bishop, and a temple ordinance worker.
Roger Keller, a former Presbyterian minister who converted to the LDS Church
Seems like he’d be an expert on apostasy.
In his own thoughts he just added more or restore what was taken away after the Last apostal was taken from the earth!
In a second visit the angel informed him “that the truth should SPRING OUT OF THE EARTH ;”
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Now to anyone who knows the Bible...
That there is a big fat clue...
That anything coming/springing out of the “earth” would not bve from God...
Because God CURSED the earth/ground etc...
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: CURSED IS THE GROUND FOR THY SAKE; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Now if God said that He CURSED the ground/earth for the sake of man, why would He then turn around and send a BLESSING from that same cursed ground...
God is not confused...
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace..1 Corinthians 14:33
And the cursed ground did not send peace, but sorrow...
And the false prophet Joseph Smith had plans for the sorrow and corruption of others in order to line his own pocket and get some one night stands...
It is probably appropriate that Joseph Smith claimed his book of mormon came out of the ground...
While the good things of God through the centuries have come down from ABOVE....EVERYTIME...
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17
Excuse me ????
Did you say...
“Stay on topic” ?????
What did you mean by that, please ????
none of what you think
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None of my Post # 7 was from “what I think”...
I quoted the BOOK OF MORMON...
Were you mind reading in your post # 9 ?????
Resty, with all due respect, first this is an open thread. Second, the post was in regards to another aspect of the alledged apostasy, but a logical outgrowth of the topic in general.
According to mormon teaching, the Apostle John never died as well as the three Nephi apostles. Therefore the last apostle was never taken from the earth. So what is it Resty - did these apostles die or live?
Resty, the mormons cry for months that nobody wantsd to actually READ the book of mormon...
And then when we do...
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