Posted on 01/20/2009 11:36:14 AM PST by restornu
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Apostasy, mormon style...
“In the year, 18323, being then thirty-one years old, Brigham Young) heard and embraced Mormonism. He was convinced by Elder Samuel H. Smith, brother to the Prophet, Joseph Smith, WHO HAS SINCE APOSTASIZED, and was baptized by Eleazar Miller, now at Salt Lake.” (Pp 136, 137)
“Accordingly, in 1835, on the 14th of February, at Kirtliand, Ohio, Brigham Young, then thirty-four years of age, was ordained one of the newly-organized quorum of the Twelve Apostles; he having been previously designated by a special revelation, that Smith pretended to obtain. Under the hands of the three witnesses of the Book of Mormon, ALL OF WHOM HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY APOSTASIZED, Brigham was ordained and set apart to his office.” (P 137)
“A new revelation was obtained, and Brigham was commanded to makle his home in this State of Missouri. Thomas B. Marsh, THE PRESIDENT OF THE TWELVE APOSTLES, HAD APOSTASIZED, finding Mormonism too bad a faith, or Smith too bad a Prophet.” (P 138)
“Orson Hyde, the present “PRESIDENT OF THE TWELVE,” HAD APOSTASIZED.” (P 139)
“W. W. Phelps, the present Mormon devil, almanac maker, “Brigham’s jester,” etc., had made affidavits against the Church. The Pratts were wavering; Dr. Arvard, a prominent member of the Danite band, had exposed the hidden machinery of Mormonism.” (P 139)(Can you say “APOSTASY” ???)
“Although it is, and always has been, Mormon policy that there should be but one head, and he the all in all of the Church; yet, in April, 1843, Brigham was possessed of influence sufficient to even grapple with Smith, as to the trustworthiness of the Twelve. Smith, who had trained Brigham, had to yield to the pupil he had educated.” (P 140) (Shades of APOSTASY)
“Brigham came hurriedly to Nauvoo-and now came the tug of war-convinced of his right to lead the people. O how easy it is to be convinced of what is to one’s interest! Hie called his quorum and the people together; ran Sidney Rigdon into the earth completely; broke up his organizations; denounced his revelations as from the devil; crushed his influence; cut off himself and adherents; cursed him; “handed him over to the buffetings of Satan for a thousand years,” and was chosen President by an overwhelming majority. Hie did not stay to reason with the minority, but cut them all off at once. The Church was going to ruin; a thousand divisions threatened to tear it piecemeal. Four claimants to Smith’s position appeared, and each had his followers among the people.” (P 141) (APOSTASY CITY)
(John Hyde, Mormonism: its leaders and designs, 1857, Pp 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141)
What did you mean by that, please ????
I know it is hard for some here but at least try to discuss what is being talked about in the video, instead of running off on a personal agenda...
instead of running off on a personal agenda...
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I didnt write the book of mormon...
Joseph Smith did...
You need to address your complaints to him...
I’m told he is a “living prophet”
Personal agenda
So I guess from now on you will give equal credability to former mormons when they present matters pertaining to mormonism.
Martin Harris
Martin Harris was first a Quaker, then a Universalist, next a Restorationist, then a Baptist, next a Presbyterian, and then a Mormon.(Mormonism Unveiled, E. D. Howe, 1834, pp. 260-261) After Martin Harris’ excommunication in 1837, he changed his religion eight more times, going from the Shakers to one Mormon splinter group to the next, and back to the main group in 1842.(Improvement Era, March 1969, p. 63 and Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 164, Brigham Young)
In 1846, (after his excommunication in 1837) Martin Harris was preaching among the Saints in England for the Apostate James J. Strang. (Church Chronology, Andrew Jensen, 1899, p. 31; Millennial Star, vol. 8, Nov. 15, 1846, pp. 124-128.)
In the Elder's Journal for August, 1838, Joseph Smith denounces Martin Harris as "so far beneath contempt that to notice him would be too great a sacrifice for a gentleman to make. The Church exerted some restraint on him, but now he has given loose to all kinds of abominations, lying, cheating, swindling, and all kinds of debauchery."(Gleanings by the Way, J. A. Clark, pp. 256-257)
David Whitmer
During the summer of 1837, while in Kirtland, David Whitmer pledged his new loyalty to a prophetess (as did Martin and Oliver) who used a black seer stone and danced herself into ‘trances.'(Biographical Sketches, Lucy Smith, pp. 211-213) It was the start of the finish for him. It ended in 1847 in his declaration to Oliver that he (Whitmer) was to be the Prophet of the New Church of Christ and Oliver a counsellor.(Letter to Oliver Cowdery, by David Whitmer, Sept. 8, 1847, printed in the "Ensign of Liberty," 5/1848, p. 93; also see ‘Ensign of Liberty,' 8/1849, pp. 101-104) In the meantime, he was excommunicated and roughly put out. His and Oliver's families were, in fact, driven into the streets and robbed by the Mormons while Whitmer and Cowdery were away trying to arrange a place to flee.(John Whitmer's History of the Church, Modern Microfilm, SLC, p. 22) Cursed by leaders such as Sidney Rigdon, David Whitmer was denounced by the Prophet Joseph Smith as a "dumb beast to ride" and "an ass to bray out cursings instead of blessings." (History of the Church, vol. 3, p 228)
Oliver Cowdery
Oliver Cowdery was excommunicated from the Mormon church and joined the Methodist church. However, in 1838 in Kirtland, Oliver confronted Joseph Smith with the charge of adultery with Fanny Alger, and with lying and teaching false doctrines.(Private Letter to Brother, Warren Cowdery, by Oliver Cowdery, Jan. 21, 1838) Cowdery was excommunicated for this and other "crimes."(History of the Church, vol. 3, pp. 16-18) Later, as a Methodist, he denied the Book of Mormon (Times and Seasons, vol. 2, p. 482 and Improvement Era, Jan. 1969, p 56 and "Oliver Cowdery-The Man Outstanding," Joseph Greehalgh, 1965, p. 28) Cowdery publicly confessed his sorrow and shame for his connection with Mormonism.(The True Origin of The Book of Mormon, Charles Shook, 1914, pp. 58-59) While the Mormon church claims he rejoined them in the fall of 1848, (Historical Record, 1886, vol. 5, p. 201) they also accused him later that year, with trying to "raise up the Kingdom again" with the Apostate, William E. McLellin.(The Mormon frontier, Diary of Hosea Stout, vol. 2, p. 336) Joseph Smith listed Oliver Cowdery as among those, "too mean to mention; and we had liked to have forgotten them." (History of the Church, vol. 3:232)
This endless childish rant, play on words, lampoons, and being vendictive is behavior that Jesus never taught his true followers!
This endless childish rant, play on words, lampoons, and being vendictive is behavior that Jesus never taught his true followers!
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Source ??????
Scriptures from the TRUE Word of God, The Bible, only, please...
It seems this poster too did not listen to the video just going on their own understanding which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread!
The topic regards the The Apostasy, the post was talking about a component of this alledged apostasy and this is an open thread Resty. Embrace it.
In the Elder’s Journal for August, 1838, Joseph Smith denounces Martin Harris as “so far beneath contempt that to notice him would be too great a sacrifice for a GENTLEMAN to make.
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Well, that’s OK...Joseph Smith was no gentleman...
He was anything but...
And Joseph Smith was an APOSTATE...
Oh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeppers.....
“Orson Pratt says, Joseph was informed, at this point, “that his sins were forgiven,” but Joseph himself seemed not to think this of importance; but both state what was said about the sects. They were all wrong, and Joseph must not join himself to any of them.
Then followed the greatest of all. These “personages” promised that at some future time, “the true doctrine, the fullness of the gospel, should be made known to him.”
BUT HE FELL AWAY AFTER THIS, INTO THE WORLD AGAIN. The heavenly vision, so great in promise, and wonderful in its glory of light, was forgotten. Joseph seems to have gone back to his sheep stealing again. He was human, and had human possibilities, as well as divine. etc”
(Nelson W. Green, Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. Mary Ettie V. Smith, of her residence and experience of fifteen years with the Mormons ... together with the speech recently delivered before the “elders” in Utah, by Vice President Schuyler Colfax, and the answer of John Taylor, 1870. P 413)
Are we having fun yet ????
And stayin’ ON TOPIC...
Howya doin’ Resty ????
Like when he tried to join the methodist church and the rest of his family joined the presbyterian church.
BUT HE FELL AWAY AFTER THIS, INTO THE WORLD AGAIN.
That darn peep stone and divination got him busted by the law and convicted of treasure seeking.
Now what would Jesus say to this inveterate rebellious or ignorant soul who can is incapable of having a meaningful diologue!
Joseph seems to have gone back to his sheep stealing again.
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Is sheep stealing a form of APOSTASY ???
In 1914, my grandfather got 6 months for sheep stealing ...
I used to be ashamed of it but its about the worst he did ...
And apparantly he was in “good” company...
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Restornu - Post # 29 - This endless childish rant, play on words, lampoons, and being vendictive is behavior that Jesus never taught his true followers!
Restornu - Post # 36 - Now what would Jesus say to this inveterate rebellious or ignorant soul who can is incapable of having a meaningful diologue!
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Source ??????
Source ??????
Scriptures from the TRUE Word of God, The Bible, only, please...
Now what would Jesus say to this inveterate rebellious or ignorant soul who can is incapable of having a meaningful diologue!
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Oh I strongly doubt that Jesus will be talking to Joseph Smith...
I have good reason for believing that my brother Samuel H. Smith, died of poison at Nauvoo, administered by order of Brigham Young and Willard Richards, only a few weeks subsequent to the unlawful murder of my other brothers, Joseph and Hiram Smith, while incarcerated in Carthage jail. Several other persons who were presumed to stand between Brigham Young and the accomplishment of his ambitions and wicked designs, mysteriously disappeared from Nauvoo about the same time, and have never been heard from since.
-SNIP-
I escaped the penalty of the Danite law, which is death; but the Mormons robbed me of all my property -- confiscated everything I possessed, including a library of valuable books; also, valuable manuscripts and records of Church history prepared for the press. One of these manuscripts, Orson Pratt, a leading Danite, published in England, which has since been extensively circulated in Europe and various parts of the United States.
The terrible measures resorted to by the Destroying Angels (Danites) [in exacting] their vengeance upon their foes, should open the eyes of the people of this country, and keep them [on guard] for their safety. These demon Danites are constantly on the alert for their prey.
On conclusion, permit me to say that I am not a Mormon. The treachery, corruption and murderous practices of the leaders of the Mormon Church long since disgusted me with a doctrine which produces such results, and as a matter of course I left the heaven-defying traitors, as every honest man should do, and leave the guilty wretches to suffer the fate which they so richly merit, and which is certain, sooner or later, to overtake them.
NEW YORK TRIBUNE
New York City, Thurs., May 28 1857.
A letter from William Smith, Brother of Joseph the Prophet.
Sounds like there were all kinds of apostasties goin' on back in the early days.
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