The Apostasy - Roger Keller, a former Presbyterian minister [OPEN]

YOUTUBE ^ | Roger Keller

[Godzilla]

[Elsie]

Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; Arrowhead; asparagus; BlueMoose; ComeUpHigher; ...

Ah...

They didn't show up for her LAST thread; why would they come to THIS one?

[Elsie]

She just didn’t ping the mormon bashing liars.

So...

Are you wanting that prize for yourself?

[Elsie]

Stay on topic none of what you think was said os in this video!

 

HUH?

 

I'd rather listen to THIS video!

 

 

 

 

 

2:02 Timeline

 

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

He teaches courses on the religions of the world from a Latter-day Saint perspective.

No doubt!!

[Elsie]

He teaches courses on the religions of the world from a Latter-day Saint perspective.

Here is the LDS Organization® from a BIBLICAL viewpoint:

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HERESY!!!

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”  

 

 

 

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

Galatians 1:7-10
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

 Revelation 13:13-15
 13.  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
 14.  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

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If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.

 

If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.

 

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Genesis 3:1  Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made.

                  He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

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2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Resty, with all due respect, first this is an open thread.

We've told her over and OVER how to post a thread that can't be commented on except with a POSITIVE spin for The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints but somehow she keeps getting it BACKWARD!

What can we do NOW???

--MormonDude(Drat! MORE truth that we want to ignore will now be posted again. I think Resty must have converted or sumpthin' secretly...)

[Elsie]

I didnt see the pic till I refreshed

[Elsie]

I know it is hard for some here but at least try to discuss what is being talked about in the video, instead of running off on a personal agenda...

You have posted YOUR 'personal' agenda in this thread; so I guess to be fair, you'll have to let US do the same; right?

[Elsie]

I know it is hard for some here but at least try to discuss what is being talked about in the video...

Just what has been posted that DOESN'T address what was in the video??

[Elsie]

This endless childish rant, play on words, lampoons, and being vendictive is behavior that Jesus never taught his true followers!

And neither is this:

[Elsie]

This endless childish rant, play on words, lampoons, and being vendictive is behavior that Jesus never taught his true followers!

But it IS stuff that the LDS Organization®, based in SLC, publishes every year!!

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

[Elsie]

Joseph seems to have gone back to his sheep stealing again.

NOOoooo!!!!

Say it isn't SO; Joe!

[Elsie]

That darn peep stone and divination got him busted by the law and convicted of treasure seeking.

 

 

Did SOMEone say: PEEPSTONE?

 

 

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"It's better to know nothing than to know what ain't so."
--Josh Billings

[restornu]

None of what any of you say is what the video is about!

[Elsie]

They didn't show up for her LAST thread; why would they come to THIS one?

Up to post #42 and all that has shown for the other team is an old mountain man.

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Looks hopeless, Resty!

[Elsie]

None of what any of you say is what the video is about!

Then what IS it about???

You never seemed to say when you posted this thread...

[restornu]

If you want to know...

I did go through the effort to post links so just click on it!

[Tennessee Nana]

Hey, OMM...

This here word “apostasy” is not in the Bible...

Nor is “apostate”...

:(

I know what a stickler you are about FReepers usoing only the words that are IN The Bible...

Why for years now you have been concerned about the word “Trinity”...

So why is the word “apostasy” being used ??????

Shouldnt we challenge the usage ????

[restornu]

It is about time for all of God’s children to grow and learn to truly to Love One Another

Do you understand why the Lord has so many different kinds of people and they each have some truth in their religion about the Creator.

Excerpt

Two weeks ago I was in Barcelona, Spain, for the World Parliament of Religions. I was surrounded by persons from all over the face of the earth with profound spiritual traditions and a profound love for their neighbor. Nobody was there to change anybody else. I love those kinds of conferences. I don’t like to be in situations where I can’t be me in interaction with persons of other faiths.

As I interacted with these people I could feel the Spirit, and the Spirit was most strong when I heard some of the very faithful Muslim people speak about the essence of their faith and how that could interface with persons of other faiths. The Spirit was profoundly present as I sat eating Langar in the Sikh Center where they provided lunch for all participants of the conference who wanted to come. Sikhs from literally all over Europe, many of them from England, came simply for the sole purpose of serving other human beings no matter what their faith tradition.

I come at this issue of apostasy knowing that my God, the one whom I worship through Jesus Christ, is also the God of all of my brothers and sisters and draws them all to him not just through our tradition.

Now having said that, I want you to... I guess one of these days I’m going to have to actually get into the twenty-first century and learn to use PowerPoint for something other than just showing slides of world religion. So I could, you know, have nice little diagrams up here and all that, but given my technical ignorance you’re just going to have to do a little visualization here. And that’s not a bad religious technique anyway.

I want you to hold two time periods in mind. The first one is the time that Latter-day Saints call the meridian of time, or the time of Jesus Christ, His historical life. And then, I want you to keep in mind the time of the Restoration. Part of what we’re going to talk about is this period in between the two but those are the poles that I want to work with.

Why did Jesus come? (asks audience; various answers) Okay, to work the Atonement. And did he come for any other reason? Okay, organize the Church. Took a while, but, yeah—He came to work the Atonement but at the same time He came to organize the Church.

Now did He know it was going to go down the drain? Sure. If Paul knew it in Second Thessalonians, the Savior knew it. Why did He do it? Because He wanted to give us a template that would show us what the Church was to look like when it was time for it to be on the earth as the Lord intended it to be present.

Now what is that template? Structurally, what is that template? Apostles, Quorum of Twelve, and the Seventy. Do you have to have a First Presidency to have authority present on the earth? No you do not. You do not, otherwise there would have been no authority from 1844 to 1847. The authority of the Church lodges in the Quorum of Twelve.

This is a transcription of a presentation by Dr. Keller at the 2004 FAIR Conference. The transcription was made from an audio recording of the event. Every effort has been made to transcribe the presentation as completely as possible.