Posted on 01/20/2009 11:36:14 AM PST by restornu
I did go through the effort to post links so just click on it!
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DUH
I’m LINKy challenged...
What’s it about ???
Eh ?????????????????
the World Parliament of Religions. I was surrounded by persons from all over the face of the earth with profound spiritual traditions and a profound love for their neighbor. Nobody was there to change anybody else. I love those kinds of conferences. I don’t like to be in situations where I can’t be me in interaction with persons of other faiths.
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Yes, well that’s all oogie boogie and touchie feelie
And warm fuzzies for all...
But it hasnt got one lick of connection with God...
Or Christianity...
Or the Jesus of the Bible...
Seeking out warm fuzzies is a quick way into Hell....
Jesus saith unto Restornu and unto Roger Keller, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6
The authority of the Church lodges in the Quorum of Twelve.
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What an ignoramous, this Roger guy is......
The Bible never mentions any so called “quorum of twelve”
The word “quorum” is not in The Bible...
Why did Jesus come?
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Ol’ Roger needs someone to teach him..
I guess that would be lil me...
OK, Roger...
here ya go, kid...
Jesus said...
For the Son of man is COME to save that which was lost. Matthew 18:11
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that CAME down from Heaven, even the Son of man which is in Heaven.
Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:13-16
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God SENT His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:9
“I CAME that they might have life and have it more abundantly..” John 10:10
“I am too deeply troubled now to know how to express my feelings. Should I say, ‘Father, save me from this time [of suffering]’? No! I CAME for this time of suffering” John 12:27
Pilate asked him, “So you are a king?” Jesus replied, “You’re correct in saying that I’m a king. I have been born and have COME into the world for this reason: to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to Me.” John 18:37
Nor is the term First Presidency or General Authorities.
The Bible never mentions any so called “quorum of twelve” The word “quorum” is not in The Bible...
Nor is the term First Presidency or General Authorities.
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Ah, Oh
:)
First Presidency
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OO, OO, OO,,
I know ....I know...
Pick me..Pick me...
George Washington...
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The Bible never mentions any so called “quorum of twelve”
The word “quorum” is not in The Bible...
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Amazing how some can not grasph the things of the Lord not are familar with the Judeo-Chirstian laws is where the body of organization comes from!
Excerpt from Keller talk
Let me read you something here. “The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.”1 Does the Bible contain the fulness of the Gospel? You better believe it does.
But, you know if a Jew reads the Old Testament, a Jew does not see in the Old Testament the same thing that a Christian sees in the Old Testament because we read it through the glasses of one who has met and encountered the Lord Jesus Christ. We read it through His life, suffering, death, resurrection and consequently we in essence put on bifocals and we see things there that a person of the Jewish community does not see.
I would submit to you that when the Latter-day Saint reads this—the Bible—they put on trifocals. They read it not only through the life, suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ; they also read it through the Restoration and the things that have occurred there.
Why do we see things here that a Baptist or a Presbyterian or a Catholic might not see? Because we have different lenses that we see it through, but it does not mean that somehow the Bible is deficient. It is not in any way deficient, it is precisely what the Lord wished us to have for almost two millennia before he added the third lens.
In our discussions with persons of other faith traditions, particularly Christian faith traditions, we need to be careful that we give the Bible its appropriate due. If you read Joseph Smith’s sermons, how often does he quote the Book of Mormon? Very rarely. What does he quote? The Bible.
When I truly want spiritual inspiration after almost sixty years now, I still will turn to the Bible in preference to any other book of scripture, but I turn now with different glasses because of my familiarity with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.
We need to help our brothers and sisters who are not of the Latter-day Saint tradition understand that they are being invited to build on the experiences that they’ve already had with the Lord not deny them.
For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.That last verse explains a lot about Joseph Smith and his less-than-eternal god. Simply knowing something about God and scriptures is not enough. God must regenerate the unbeliever before that knowledge is manifested as saving faith in the redemptive work of Christ.
Nana - The Bible never mentions any so called “quorum of twelve”
The word “quorum” is not in The Bible...
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Resty - Amazing how some can not grasph the things of the Lord not are familar with the Judeo-Chirstian laws is where the body of organization comes from!
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No, Resty...
The “quorum of twelve” and the other mormon ideas did not originate with The Bible...
They have no place among “the things of God”...
They are not mentioned in Judeo Law or Christian tradition...
Jesus never set them up...
As a “body of organization” there is no connection to the God of The Bible...
From Keller's message: He came to organize the Church. Now did He know it was going to go down the drain? Sure. If Paul knew it in Second Thessalonians, the Savior knew it.
What verse is Keller referencing? (2 Thess. 2:3-4)
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Th 2:3-4)
Note that whatever "falling away" is referenced, it coincides which a revealing of "the son of perdition" who sits "in the temple of God" and pretends to be God. Well, I guess if this is the total apostasy reference, which dates it to pre-1820, according to Mormon theology, who was, then, this "son of perdition" who was revealed himself and sat in God's temple?
KELLER, LIKE OTHER MORMONS, SAYS THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST WAS SEWER BOUND
Note...Keller says here -- along with all Mormons -- that the true church of Jesus Christ "went down the drain." Keller is saying Jesus' church headed for the sewer!
But what did Jesus say? "...upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt 16:18)
Hmmm...Keller says Jesus would almost immediately let His church "go down the drain" & head for the sewer. Jesus says, "No...the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." [Who are we going to believe? An apostate Presbyterian or Jesus Christ?]
In this message, Keller pretends to expound quite a bit upon authority, but I don't understand why he might think that the authority, power, promises, etc. re: whatever was given to Joseph Smith & LDS general authorities by unnamed personags are multi-generational, but somehow the authority, power, promises, etc. that Jesus gave to his early church were not. (Can you spell hypocritical and inconsistent???)
It's clear when the New Testament is read that Jesus foresaw one continuous church:
The apostle Paul, for example, in Ephesians 3:21 proclaimed: "to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen."
Commentary: How could God be glorified in the church "throughout ALL ages" if the entire church fell into apostasy for generations on end? Nothing would be more unglorifying to God more than a totally apostate church!!! (so much for Keller's spin cycle, as he attempted to play down how badly previous LDS leaders have spoken about Christians in the past).
KELLER, LIKE OTHER MORMONS, FLUNKS BASIC MATH
Keller from his message: Why did He [Jesus] do it? [establish a sewer-bound church] Because He wanted to give us a template that would show us what the Church was to look like when it was time for it to be on the earth as the Lord intended it to be present. Now what is that template? Structurally, what is that template? Apostles, Quorum of Twelve, and the Seventy. Do you have to have a First Presidency to have authority present on the earth? No you do not. You do not, otherwise there would have been no authority from 1844 to 1847. The authority of the Church lodges in the Quorum of Twelve.
Well, that's mighty interesting. I just happen to have a Book of Mormon here. In 3 Nephi 12:1, it says the Mormon jesus established a dozen Central/South American disciples with the power to baptize. (And the year noted for this development? The BoM page says this was done A.D. 34)
Can we all do the math, please? LDS say that Jesus came and established a dozen disciples in the Middle East. Then they say, the Mormon Jesus was resurrected and left those 12 (now 11 since Judas was dead) & headed off for Central/South America, where he authorized another disciples as his American branch office quorum. Anybody got a calculator? (12 + 12 = 24 -- or 11 + 12 if you subtract Judas = 23)
Here Keller's apostasy message makes a HUGE issue of trying to convey, "Oh, we're not trying to take anything away from your knowledge. We only want to add on and build on..." But yet what does the Book of Mormon do? It doesn't give us a Quorum of 12...it gives us a Quorum of 23 or 24. It "adds on" and "builds on" to the notion of the dozen disciples of Peter, John, James, etc. Yet, then Keller has the audacity to turn around and claim that the authority of the church rests in the Quorum of the 12!!! Say what?
But how many apostles/disciples does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say were alive in A.D. 34??? You guessed it! 23!!!! The leaders in the Mormon church simply flunked math. If the "saving ordinances" and "the authority of the Church lodges in the Quorum of the 12" -- well, which apostles did Mormon authorities go back & erase as having authority in A.D. 34?
Excerpt from Keller “talk”
“The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.”
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Nope, Nada, Nein, Neit,
Not even close....
The Bible is the Word of God...and Holy..
The bom is a fairy tale of pornography and other unGodliness...written by a debauching charlatan out to make a quick buck ..and definitely NOT holy...
Besides, as my post #72 mentions, LDS actually only have a foundation of a Quorum of 23-24 -- not 12. LDS believe that 23 apostle-disciples (with 1 vacancy) existed in the year A.D. 34. Since the LDS have no quorum of 23 (or 24) as what supposedly existed in the "template" the Mormon jesus established in the year A.D. 34, it has no divine authority whatsoever -- even by their own standards!!!
Zero. Nada. Zilcho. Zippo. A shutout. Baseless.
We need to help our brothers and sisters who are not of the Latter-day Saint tradition understand that they are being invited to build on the experiences that they’ve already had with the Lord not deny them.
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1. I am NOT a sister of Roger Keller...
2. I am NOT a sister of any “latter-day saint” AKA mormon...
3. I am NOT “denying” “the experiences that (I’ve) already had with (Jesus Christ) the Lord ...
I am positively announcing that the latter-day saints AKA mormons have nothing to do with the God of the Bible...
We need to help our brothers and sisters who are not of the Latter-day Saint tradition understand that they are being invited to build on the experiences that they’ve already had with the Lord not deny them.
Oh, how anti-quaint. It's supposedly not that our belief system is 100% abominable, like Joseph Smith said of our creeds in his first vision as now recorded as LDS "Scripture" in Joseph Smith, History, Pearl of Great Price, vv. 18-20...no, it's really that we're just -- according to Keller -- on the antiquainted side...and just not "up to date" like those leading-edge Latter-day Saints.
I will refute Keller's claims -- and I won't even need to go any further than to cite the Book of Mormon (3 Nephi 11):
Smith has the Mormon jesus saying: "And whoso believeth in me and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom...Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine..." (3 Nephi 11:33, 35)
Keep reading.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them. And whoso shall declare MORE OR LRESS THAN THIS AND ESTABLISH IT FOR MY DOCTRINE, THE SAME COMETH OF EVIL, AND IS NOT BUILD BUT MY ROCK; BUT HE BUILDETH UPON A SANDY FOUNDATION, AND THE GATES OF HELL STAND OPEN TO RECEIVE SUCH WHEN THE FLOODS COME AND THE WINDS BEAT UPON THEM." (3 Nephi 11:39-40)
Well, there ya have it! The only "doctrine" the Book of Mormon jesus references between verses 33 and 38 is baptism (v. 33, v. 34, which is "my doctrine" in v. 35, and in vv. 37-38 (repent and be baptized), which is "my doctrine" in v. 39! In a nutshell, the Mormon Jesus says baptism (and repentance) is his doctrine. Nothing else. Furthermore, he said if you "declare MORE...than this, and establish it for my doctrine..." guess what's coming to you?
According to the Mormon jesus, the welcoming gates of hell have their greeters out readied for you.
Smith and other LDS general authorities added all kinds of stuff as Jesus' "doctrine." And Keller went on about how Mormons have in essence, declared MORE...than this, and established it for" Christ's doctrine.
All I can say is, if the Mormon jesus was right in 3 Nephi 11:33-40, there's little hope of escape from hell for those who added to Jesus' doctrines -- and those who have built their very lives upon that "sandy foundation"!
One other point: When you listen to Keller's apostasy message, part 2, on YouTube, he asks this question: "Does the Bible contain the fullness of the gospel?"
Immediately, you hear an audience voice of some Mormon saying "no" -- and I think that audience voice represents the understanding and feeling of most Mormons. So, LDS need to especially keep that in mind (what's been added on to the "fullness of the gospel" in Doctrine & Covenants) when you weigh 3 Nephi 11:33-40.
So the peep stone is the third lens now is it?
but I turn now with different glasses because of my familiarity with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.
So he believes 19th century fiction, a document that has had numerous changes and a fake book translated from a pagan prayer scroll. Really scoring points here.
Then I better not invest in flying pigs just yet either.
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