Posted on 05/30/2011 12:30:45 PM PDT by Colofornian
What I find interesting is that Mormon socialists STILL are so forward in presenting themselves.
Why did I highlight the word "still?"
Because Mormons and Mormon leadership have socialist-communist roots going back to the late 19th century! Don't believe me? Read on.
Mormons like to revise history and attempt to now say that the Book of Acts describes Utah's United-Order living? Resty, have you ever read yourself the connection between the Utah community of Brigham City and communist leader Lenin (Soviet Russia)???
Here, allow me to fill you in.
Joseph Smith created a picture of a "United Order" utopian fantasy.
Even this a Mormon author described Brigham Young’s communist-built community of Orderville, Utah as “pure communism”: "When Brigham Young established Orderville and similar United Orders, John Taylor was less than enthusiastic. He realized that enterprises such as Orderville were pure communism and not the law of consecration. He made this plain after he became President, when in 1882 he sent an epistle to all authorities of the Church in which he bluntly stated: 'We had no example of the 'United Order' in accordance with the word of God on the subject...Our relations with the world and our own imperfections prevent the establishment of this system [i.e. the system of consecration and stewardship spoken of at times as the 'United Order'] at the present time, as was stated by Joseph in an early day, it cannot yet be carried out.'" (George W. Givens, 500 More Little-Known Facts in Mormon History, 2004, p. 169)
The truly unfortunate thing for world history is that John Taylor didn’t go far enough, for while he dismantled Orderville, he left another “United Order” community (Brigham City, Utah) alone. Here is Givens again (a faithful Mormon author):
"One of the most famous utopian books ever written was Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy, published in 1889. Some scholars believe Looking Backward had considerable influence in the making of Lenin's Soviet Russia. If this is true, then [ensuing Lds "prophet"] Lorenzo Snow and the Latter-day Saints must receive some of the credit--or blame. Hearing of the success of the United Order in Brigham City, Edward Bellamy made a special trip to Utah in 1886 to study its operation. There he spent three days with Lorenzo Snow, Brigham City's founder and forty-year resident. Impressed with the thirty to forty industries run by its 2,000 inhabitants and the vitality at that time of one of the most successful United Orders, Bellamy returned home and wrote his influential book." (500 More Little-Known Facts in Mormon History, p. 185).
Way to go, 19th century Mormon leader-“prophets” of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor & Lorenzo Snow!!! They all unwittingly fueled Soviet Communism!
It was…
… Smith’s original idea of a United Order, something he falsely prophesied would be everlasting- see Doctrine & Covenants 82:20; 104:1 – I mean you haven’t taken scissors to those verses yet, have you Rip? So that must mean you still embrace these concepts as “Mormon truth”
…followed by Young’s implementation of these communistic ideas into Utah communities like Orderville & Brigham City…
…with Lds “prophet” Snow being the founder & long-term dictator of Brigham City, which in turn, influenced Bellamy, who in turn influenced Lenin!!!
…and while Taylor didn’t like the orders, he only did a half-mast job of taking apart Orderville, but leaving Brigham City untouched.
So be it...
It only matters to those who do not want to live under tyranny, and those like you made your choice clear will be on the outside looking in, while those who were friend’s of the Lord’s Church will have a place to take refuge.
Those like me? You mean those you love as a brother? No, not anymore? Too many questions you don't want to answer?
LOL!
On the outside looking in? I wouldn't want inside your silly Disneyland Castles, nor do I plan on seeking “refuge”.
So how is “Joseph Smith or the sword” compatible with loving all men as Jesus loved us? Did Jesus say “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life - or the sword?”.
No - he said “He that drinks of the water I offer shall never thirst again, but the water within him shall be a fountain bubbling up to eternal life.”
Yes, I made my choice clear.
I am no friend to your “Lord's Church” because your “lord” is Joseph Smith.
I prefer to “live under tyranny” where I am free to reject your tinpot prophet and defeat utterly any “sword” brought against me.
Keep waiting for doomsday! I hope you take great solace in the image of me standing outside looking in! That is about as likely as you becoming a God some day.
Allow me, Allmendream, to translate that graph from Mormonese.
"We, the Mormons, believe that if the Lord returned now, only .2% of the world is Mormon...and of these, only .004 of the world are temple Mormons...and many of these aren't married...so they, too would be locked out of the Father's presence forever!"
"Therefore, when we speak words like 'refuge' being offered to you post-death...we're not talking about being in the living-presence refuge of Heavenly Father. Oh, no. That's for the Mormon elite only. Even the faithful Mormon never-married singles won't quality for that! Even the most faithful, highly spiritual Mormon wives won't qualify for that IF their husbands weren't 'celestial material' on earth."
"Why, don't you want, allmendream, this proxy-package post-death spiritual-corpse dunking offer that doesn't include living with Heavenly Father forever? I just can't see why you might want to pass this 'refuge' offer up."
So to not accept Joseph Smith is to “live under tyranny”?
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Never said any such thing it is ones own contempt towards another faith that one would make such a statement...
This is about the Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord’s Kingdom in which all children of faith.
Those who insist on being contenious sadly will prevent themselves from being able to partake.
1 Thessalonians 4:9
9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
1 Peter 3:8
8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Galatians 5:13
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
1 Thessalonians 3:12
12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
1 John 3:11
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1 John 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
2 John 1:5
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
John 13:35
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:17
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Ephesians 4:2
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Nice to know that Joseph Smith is unable to partake of the reward that he said only he and he alone could provide.
And wouldn't “Joseph Smith or the sword!” show the supreme contempt towards all other faiths?
Muslim do not believe Jesus was the Son of God who did the will of God the Father by atoning for our sins and was also crucified for our sin and conquer death so we could return home someday.
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Nor do Christians
But you already knew that didnt you, Resty ???
Yeah...
It sure is TERRIBLE when things like that occur!
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
You must be the ONLY mormon that knows this!
Thank you, Resty, for so PLAINLY showing yet another word that MORMON, Inc. has re-defined.
Are you BLATANTLY ignorant?
Or just LYING?
BTW The term DECEIVED is anyone who beleives in the FALSE Jesus Christ of MORMONism.
And NOW we know what OPRAH is going to be doing!
Sorry Resty; but we REBUKE false doctrine and do NOT 'love' it.
We expose it and cast it out.
You should do the same.
Neither do CHRISTIANS!
SURELY an LSD member in good standing *(you DO have a TR; don't you?) would be able to actually SHOW some of this cluelessness you have found.
POST the 'error' tha you have detected.
Or else remain yet another Accuser of the Brethren.
I 'believe' that you are still eating MEAT when your scriptures CLEARLY tell you NOT to!
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