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"Where Were You, God?"
HiTech RedNeck | 5/19/2013 | HiTech RedNeck

Posted on 05/19/2013 12:21:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck

Edited on 05/25/2013 2:44:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: HiTech RedNeck

We all fight the evil one in our lives.

What we really need is to become aware of all the times the Holy Spirit is with us.

One of my sons came to my house to fix something yesterday, and I totally credit it to the influence of the Holy Spirit. I think they (he and his wife) may have upset with me because I cannot go to their house as long as they have cats inside. I’m terribly allergic to cats — and it was allergies that threw me into my latest episode with atrial fibrilation. I was able to talk with him yesterday and hopefully explain it.


161 posted on 05/19/2013 3:59:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums

By the way I admire the spiritual insight of your tagline. It is true! A life laid wholly on Jesus will incur NO more blame from heaven. Not a mite, not a speck. God assumed the entire metaphysical burden, as it were, of guilt of the saved at the cross. And inasmuch as we may care about other blames, it is because we are moved to illustrate God’s love to the world (and therefore DO try to make amends etc. as God empowers us to do so).


162 posted on 05/19/2013 3:59:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Craftmore

I can speak a lot on faith; I am less versed in some bible particulars. However HarleyD gave you a beautiful answer.


163 posted on 05/19/2013 4:00:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: daniel1212

You have given us YOUR interpretation of scripture and that raises the important question: Why should we believe that you have divined the truth? I mean no insult.


164 posted on 05/19/2013 4:02:04 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Salvation

I am sorry to hear about your illness and I pray the Lord will help you with it either through doctors and medication (and maybe diet) and/or through direct Holy Spirit ministry.

I have cats and I have suffered from bouts of atrial fib in the past, but I don’t believe the two are connected in my case.


165 posted on 05/19/2013 4:02:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HarleyD

The Apostle Paul is from the Tribe of Benjamin.Without whom we wouldnt have most of the New Testament.Are you now saying God didnt bless the tribe of Benjamin?


166 posted on 05/19/2013 4:02:36 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Well, one needn’t get it perfect to get it useful. I see a sincere effort in you to at least try to comprehend. Do be careful about calling people damned or not based on petty details, however. People don’t need to pass the screening of a human “God committee” to be saved. They just need to meet up with the Lord and engage spiritually with Him on a journey of being restored and forgiven (which is, in the technical jargon, repentance and salvation by grace through faith).


167 posted on 05/19/2013 4:07:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Craftmore

What kind of Craft are you interested in more of?

How is this a serious problem? Individuals (St. Paul) can be blessed even if from a place that incurs a divine chastisement for doing wrong. A bar on such a thing was never announced. Sounds more like you’re cheering for the “horned guy in red tights” so to speak....


168 posted on 05/19/2013 4:09:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Exactly. There's a reason "Thou shalt not rape" didn't make the cut in Moses' time.

More atheistic ignorance or miscontruance which inventions would justify their rejection.

First, rape of a betrothed women was a capital crime:

"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:" (Deuteronomy 22:25)

Second, unlike today and the mess it has resulted in, the Bible places a priority upon virginity until marriage, and marriage, and if a man who forces a women not engaged then he had to marry her and he may not put her away all his days.

Gill, who spends much time on Jewish tradition, comments,

"if her father and she agreed to it; and in such a case the man was not at his liberty to refuse, be she what she would, agreeable or not, handsome or ugly; he must, as the Jews express it, drink out of his pot, or marry her, if she is lame, or blind, or full of ulcers (Misn. Cetubot, c. 3. sect. 5.)

And note that marriage in Israel was a social contract, and as seen in Gn. 34, mistreatment of a sister could be severely dealt with.

Third, the Bible cast the incestuous rape of David's daughter Tamar by Amnon (2Sa. 13) in a very bad light, and which resulted in Amnon's death.

However, it is my experience that atheists cannot tolerate any refutation of their fallacious charges.

169 posted on 05/19/2013 4:11:58 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Neither God nor Christ will help you if you have the misfortune to be born into or acquire wealth. You have probably “bought the farm” if you refuse to give up your wealth to the prisoner, diseased, drunken drugged adulterers and deprive your innocent siblings, wife and children of their basic needs. Christ said it was easier to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven after he had observed the young virtuous rich man go away sorrowing, Christ interpreted the young man's actions as an abnormal love of money when maybe it was sorrow about his having to impoverish his family.

That's not at all what Jesus thought! If you go back to what the rich dude asked he said, "What must I do to inherit the kingdom of God?". He then proceeded to describe all the reasons why he deserved it. Regarding the commandments, "All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”. The point is that we CAN'T earn our way or deserve or merit heaven. Even if we gave all our money to the poor, it wouldn't buy us eternal life. This is something God gives us by GRACE and we receive it by FAITH.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

170 posted on 05/19/2013 4:14:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: daniel1212

Lady seems to be hung-up on the issues of slaves and the relatively newfangled idea of “spousal rape.” Slaves weren’t an ideal situation (and biblical slaves might be prisoners of war but not arbitrary kidnapees), however the modern counter to the idea of slavery which is based in the “I own myself” philosophy is also unhelpful because that means becoming a spiritual island.


171 posted on 05/19/2013 4:17:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: daniel1212

I didn’t get to this one until just now. You’ve pointed up a fairly good, if bland, intellectual case. The big problem for many of us (me especially) is getting the heart to embrace the actual truths of spiritual reality around the Lord. That’s where following the bible accounts as given in the bible is very helpful. The bible is a purpose-written spiritual work.


172 posted on 05/19/2013 4:21:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: A_perfect_lady; wastedyears
No answer comes because no one can hear you. Nothing is up there. You were sold a bill of goods, and I feel for you, I really do, but all you can do is work with your doctors and make the best of the time you have. I’m not trying to be harsh, but all this crying to the heavens will do nothing but add the bitterness of futility on top of all the burdens you are already bearing.

My. What a bitter, self-centered, and destructive answer. If all that is left is bitterness and burden, then there is no point. Hope springs eternal to those who love YHWH.

I fell ill a little over 10 years ago. Went from hale and hearty to screaming agony in about two weeks. Doctors never did find out what it was, and for seven years I was almost wheelchair bound / bed-ridden. I can nearly count on one hand how many times I left my 12x15 bedroom during those first seven years. I lost my health, nearly all my friends, my business, and finally my family (to divorce). Everything I had worked for... twenty-five years of toil, all gone. It was a terrible and lonely time, very dark and foreboding, to the point that my faith was reduced to a fitfully flickering pilot light.

When healing finally came, it was not the doctors who provided it. It started with a particular prayer and anointing oil, and literally over night pain was significantly reduced. Then came a weird thing with a Christian Cheyenne medicine man. Then came another weird thing with a woman who understood naturalistic healing using nutrition. Then came a guy I didn't know at a public office waiting room who knew everything about me, who left me with a message that profoundly changed my thinking... Then came an opening to buy a house, and the financing to buy the house, and the project of repairing the house to make it liveable.

Sure, and it took me a year to remodel the home, something I could have done before in less than 90 days. Sure, I still have episodes, but they are just episodes, and I know they will end (which is wonderful to know). Sure, I am not able to walk off into the forest and go hunting or fishing (yet), but I can consistently walk 2 1/2 miles at a time - And measuring miles is a delight when one considers that I used to measure in feet.

Am I perfectly healed? No... Not if one measures healing physically. That is most certainly a work in progress, with profound and measured improvement (my doctors are completely boggled). But what this testing has done for me spiritually and mentally is without price. Even if I wind up back in that blasted chair, I will praise God for what He has given me.

So in a word, be quiet. You don't know what you are talking about. The bitterness you impart is not helping anyone, least of all, yourself.

Our God is an awesome God. He reigns.

wastedyears, I have been there and done that. Seek peace. Seek His face. Praise His name. Do not stop hoping and praying for relief and healing. Turn your attention outward, help others, don't worry about yourself. But turn your spirit inward toward the throne. Psalm 23. "He restoreth my soul." Healing does not begin in the body. It begins in the soul, a place (if you are like me) that you have probably neglected fearfully in your trials - Believe in Him. Believe He leads you, and then follow. If you do, I have no doubt you will be amazed at where you will wind up, and the crazy way you got there...

173 posted on 05/19/2013 4:23:48 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The story of Israel is mirror image of how God blesses and man refuses to accept His blessings. God creates laws, protects and guides. But we refuse to be obedient, wander away from the protection to seek refuse in worthless idols, and want to assert our will over His. It shows God constant grace, mercy and love in His calling, and it shows man’s utter contempt for the things of God. Eventually Israel was cast out of the land, though God in His mercy brought back a remnant-although they didn’t deserve it.

Though our Father has given to us a new heart to be obedient to His commands, the story of the nation of Israel is a reflection and warning of the evilness of our hearts to stray from God. We are constantly dependent on Him alone.


174 posted on 05/19/2013 4:24:28 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: roamer_1

Yup, a rather cynical answer from a Lady who, if she tried at all, has never explained how she tried or what she hoped for as she tried. If she’s only passing on secondhand naysaying, that’s particularly cynical.


175 posted on 05/19/2013 4:26:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
My hero is the Apostle Thomas who would believe when he saw it!

Yet, Jesus told Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” (John 20:27-29)

In Christianity, it's not "seeing is believing, it's believing is seeing"!

176 posted on 05/19/2013 4:27:28 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation; PieterCasparzen
In the CREED!

In the WORD.

177 posted on 05/19/2013 4:31:44 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: A_perfect_lady; wastedyears
I know nothing whatsoever about your struggles, all I can say is, I am very sorry to hear how hard it is. My only advice can be, don’t torture yourself on top of it trying to appease or reach a figment of someone else’s imagination. It only adds to your burden. It really is a waste of years.

Athiest answer: just off yourself and put yourself put of your misery.

Believer's answer: there is hope in the midst of all trouble and God will be found when you seek him with all your heart.

178 posted on 05/19/2013 4:31:59 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: HarleyD

That makes sense, since “all scripture is useful for... instruction.” If the saga of the Israelites meant nothing to modern Christians then this would not be true. Now some segments of Christendom (and I count myself among them) hold with a view that actually says the literal Jews are coming back into the limelight. Some call it dispensationalism. I don’t necessarily buy into everything that proponents of that view have propounded, but it answers a lot of questions including the question of how could God be woofing to those Israelites and only meaning figurative, spiritualized-out promises and not further literal ones like the literal promises they knew for thousands of years?


179 posted on 05/19/2013 4:32:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: boatbums; AEMILIUS PAULUS

In a way it’s experimental perception... just as we now know there is such a thing as radio waves and a whole lot about how they behave. But nobody ever saw a radio wave. So nobody’s asking you to craft some make believe picture. Instead they’re asking you to exercise your spiritual sense.


180 posted on 05/19/2013 4:34:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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